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    "if we have a strong message, if we're speaking to what the American people care about"

    We don't have a United States, we have a broken country with independent issues in every person. That is victory for the Right Wing and falls right in line with their propaganda that regulation is bad. They say it is bad because with out regulation money is the law. Trickle down is the top down theory of economic progress. The basic assumption is that as the money trickles down it will initiate spending and progress. Why not skip the first step and put the money in the hands of the people that will spend it. Take the money that would go to the upper incomes in a tax cut and invest it in jobs producing new businesses. That way instead of waiting and hoping for the money to trickle down it would go right to where it would do the best good.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    TJ Wrote: In football a weaker opponent will often blame the officials, weather or anything but themselves. Jared, how's that "win" feeling today ? It will be even better tomorrow.
    In football the team who gets the most points actually wins the game.
    "In football the team who gets the most points actually wins the game." But that is points scored on the field while the game is still official. You can't wait til after the game and go in and kick a bunch of filed goals and run the ball back and forth over the goal line and then say "See, we win". Obama said it right,I said from the beginning that Trump had her message and won the election on what should have been the Democratic Platform. Hillary had no message and people that had been hearing the SOS for 20 years had no reason to get off the couch and vote. The party has to stand for something not just shame people into voting.
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    Chet -- I have to admit I'm getting a bit tired of your Hillary bashing. Saying "Hillary had no message" is just bullshit. When you go issue by issue and look at the reality versus La la land, she had the superior message and platform over Bernie and the Donald. However, as we all know, many people believed what they wanted to believe when Trump offered the "promised land" and had no idea how to deliver. And what about all those Russian bots and fake Facebook websites full of shit that was shared and shared. The pizza shop crap for one.

    How can Hillary compete with that? Americans are going to be really sick when they read history books about how stupid the voters were and how smart the Russians were. Republicans and Trump never cared about the truth...anything goes.

    Hillary can hold her head up and be proud of the honest campaign she ran. This is more on the American voter and the Russian hackers than any criticism of Hillary.

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    Once again , Hillary was a shitty candidate. She was rejected ten years ago. Any pollster knew there was a very strong anti Hillary current within our electorate even most women rejected Hillary.

    Now Hillary may be a good person , would have been infinitely better that the fat idiot and anyone stupid enough to have supported the fat idiot should lose their voting rights forever. Hell when this thing is over ,the idiots who supported it will face retribution in the form of permanent ostricization by most of society.they are marked.

    But stop with the Hillary bullshit. Without 800 superdelegates , she lost by a landslide.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    TJ Wrote: In football a weaker opponent will often blame the officials, weather or anything but themselves. Jared, how's that "win" feeling today ? It will be even better tomorrow.
    In football the team who gets the most points actually wins the game.
    "In football the team who gets the most points actually wins the game." But that is points scored on the field while the game is still official. You can't wait til after the game and go in and kick a bunch of filed goals and run the ball back and forth over the goal line and then say "See, we win". Obama said it right,I said from the beginning that Trump had her message and won the election on what should have been the Democratic Platform. Hillary had no message and people that had been hearing the SOS for 20 years had no reason to get off the couch and vote. The party has to stand for something not just shame people into voting.
    It's time to move on from Bernie's defeat and Clinton's loss. The nation is in big trouble now. Suggest something tenable that independents, progressives and democrats can build upon, and not Berniecare either.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Chet -- I have to admit I'm getting a bit tired of your Hillary bashing. Saying "Hillary had no message" is just bullshit. When you go issue by issue and look at the reality versus La la land, she had the superior message and platform over Bernie and the Donald. However, as we all know, many people believed what they wanted to believe when Trump offered the "promised land" and had no idea how to deliver. And what about all those Russian bots and fake Facebook websites full of shit that was shared and shared. The pizza shop crap for one.

    How can Hillary compete with that? Americans are going to be really sick when they read history books about how stupid the voters were and how smart the Russians were. Republicans and Trump never cared about the truth...anything goes.

    Hillary can hold her head up and be proud of the honest campaign she ran. This is more on the American voter and the Russian hackers than any criticism of Hillary.

    I am not bashing Hillary, I just repeated what Obama said, if there is a good message the popular vote and electoral vote will align. Hillary has a fantastic mind and has done good work. But it didn't resonate with the middle class suffering or as Hillary said bothered by the gains if others. Did you ever follow up on the kids aging out of the foster program that you referred to me as a Hillary accomplishment??? Hillary has fantastic credentials but they miss the mark for what the lower classes need.
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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    TJ Wrote: In football a weaker opponent will often blame the officials, weather or anything but themselves. Jared, how's that "win" feeling today ? It will be even better tomorrow.
    In football the team who gets the most points actually wins the game.
    "In football the team who gets the most points actually wins the game." But that is points scored on the field while the game is still official. You can't wait til after the game and go in and kick a bunch of filed goals and run the ball back and forth over the goal line and then say "See, we win". Obama said it right,I said from the beginning that Trump had her message and won the election on what should have been the Democratic Platform. Hillary had no message and people that had been hearing the SOS for 20 years had no reason to get off the couch and vote. The party has to stand for something not just shame people into voting.
    It's time to move on from Bernie's defeat and Clinton's loss. The nation is in big trouble now. Suggest something tenable that independents, progressives and democrats can build upon, and not Berniecare either.
    How can we move on if a significant number of Democrats want to run again on the same platform that lost in 2016.
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    So Trump had a winning platform? Is that what you are looking for -- a platform like Trump's designed to appeal to emotions but void of any facts or in-depth analysis or reality...La la land. So we got Trump and now we need to emulate Trump's ways -- a demagogue who tapped into the haters in America with hate speech.

    I will hand it to Trump. He knows how to scrape together the racists, the bigots, the evangelicals, the gun crazies, the ignorant, the super rich, the low information voter and former Bernie supporters into a win. I will hand him that...the con artist extraordinaire who conned the voters with help from the Russians.

    No thank-you. I will take Hillary or someone like her.

    Some of us were not fooled. Trump's election is more a reflection of America's dark side -- it's ignorant voters and a media that sought sensationalism over objective journalism and critical analysis. It is not a reflection on Hillary, perhaps the most qualified person to ever run for the job. Sad!

    America should be embarrassed. On that point I agree with Dutch.

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    Schmidt, Obama validates my post. He said a good message would align the popular and electoral votes. That cant mean anything other than Hillary didn't have a good message. Your talking to Obama now.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    So Trump had a winning platform? Is that what you are looking for -- a platform like Trump's designed to appeal to emotions but void of any facts or in-depth analysis or reality...La la land. So we got Trump and now we need to emulate Trump's ways -- a demagogue who tapped into the haters in America with hate speech.

    I will hand it to Trump. He knows how to scrape together the racists, the bigots, the evangelicals, the gun crazies, the ignorant, the super rich, the low information voter and former Bernie supporters into a win. I will hand him that...the con artist extraordinaire who conned the voters with help from the Russians.

    No thank-you. I will take Hillary or someone like her.

    Some of us were not fooled. Trump's election is more a reflection of America's dark side -- it's ignorant voters and a media that sought sensationalism over objective journalism and critical analysis. It is not a reflection on Hillary, perhaps the most qualified person to ever run for the job. Sad!

    America should be embarrassed. On that point I agree with Dutch.

    Schmidt, yes you got the right vision; like I've said many times that the problem in this country is its isolation; they refuse to learn from other countries; the arrogance to call yourself "number one" will eventually shoot yourself in the foot.

    1) Our antique outdated laws and vague laws ( like the 2nd Amendment, the 25th Amendment etc.) which are only "feed" for a zillion lawyers as well our corrupt capitalistic system; no-laws for Presidents or proper election of high level people is anywhere to be found.

    2) Lack of education especially in the rural area's is a driving force for stupidity; the system is too expensive for poorer people; enormous student debt is the result. The curriculum is lacking human interface as well way too limited related to international thinking. (Island mentality; sports/football have priorities; not what is put in the "brains") Do not forget the fanatic "religious freaks" here which prevents "smart" thinking and is a "block" to advance in any society.

    3) The whole combination of wrong laws, wrong government, wrong idea's (half ass, British based) system as well a "money only" driven society will eventually ruin this country. Wrong priorities; wrong focus on "social programs; the wealthy have priority. Also it is clear that education here does not learn the student to look at the total picture of things; here it is "piece" by "piece" and milk it forever. Lots of things here never start at "A" and end up at "Z" they prefer to do it the other way around.

    Anyway I could go on and on; it is the total "picture here" which is not repairable. It is an total mess and will stay so unless we get leaders with brains as well an unified educated country. I must say Obama was well educated also international, but the stupid part of the country did not appreciate that. Thus this country will muddle on in their stupid ways until it collapses as did Rome.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Schmidt, Obama validates my post. He said a good message would align the popular and electoral votes. That cant mean anything other than Hillary didn't have a good message. Your talking to Obama now.

    Ummm....President Obama called the Electoral College a "vestige, that’s a carryover from an earlier vision of how our federal government was going to work that put a lot of premium on states" in that same news conference. He went on to lament how the Senate is set up that gives small, deeply red states far more sway than larger blue states not just in the Senate, but in the Electoral College.

    You're also distorting the single quote you selected from his hour long news conference after the election. His full quote was "[s]o there are some structures in our political system, as envisioned by the founders, that sometimes, they're going to disadvantage Democrats. But the truth of the matter is, is that if we have a strong message, if we're speaking to what the American people care about, typically, you know, the popular vote and the electoral college vote will align."

    "Typical, you know" is a hell of a lot different than a definitive statement. Words matter, especially with our former President who took the time to think about what he was going to say.


    We all know you love to twist peoples words in order to make them seem like they are something different, but this is low even for you because President Obama can't respond to you distorting his words.

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    Schmidt Wrote: No thank-you. I will take Hillary or someone like her.

    Some of us were not fooled. Trump's election is more a reflection of America's dark side -- it's ignorant voters and a media that sought sensationalism over objective journalism and critical analysis. It is not a reflection on Hillary, perhaps the most qualified person to ever run for the job. Sad!

    I'd take Hillary or someone who isn't a snake oil salesman any day of the week. Unfortunately there are enough gullible people in this country who would rather believe every promise a politician makes to them over thinking critically.

    Sad!, indeed.

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    Yes we are in trouble. It's been a long time coming. We allowed the corporations to destroy our healthcare systems. While they plotted to create an onerus system of "coverage, a plan to force every person to pay them monthly a cut from their salary , or their paycheck , in what amounts to extortion . Talk about a ponzi a ponzi sceme . They create onerus rules that amount to making laws because it's the same result.

    They have allowed corporations to destroy our public education for the past 50 years at least. They have done so by dictating the curriculum . Through their idiotic tests. Through their idiotic guidelines . Policies. and worst of all , text books. Text books written with a racist slant. Referring to slaves as " workers 😐 Essentially rewriting history , lying . Public education is being smothered ,underfunded and purposely used as a propaganda tool.

    So we are now in trouble. Because they worked to destroy unions by every means possible. By keeping the minimum wage so low that poor people cannot enjoy any kind of quality of life. Most Americans are now poor.

    The constant boom and bust cycle is idiotic. It has left us , unstable. Poverty has some very nasty side effects. You find that police become more aggressive and minorities suffer the harsh consequences of their desperation.

    We ar e in trouble because we allowed corporations to take over every single office in our government. The FDA is staffed with executives from corporate food and drug companies. The FCC is the same. Corporate executives changed our laws . Congress did not , corporation did when they got rid of the law that said all media had to be locally owned and for the good of the local community. There was also a law that said all sides got equal time. So you could have political talk , but you had to have both sides . That meant they all worked in the same studio. So they had to be civil. Now, every media outlet is owned by a couple corporations who are nothing but propaganda ministries for the corporate model.

    We are in trouble , our country does not care about us. It cares about military stuff and football. Nothing else. They gloridy military every way they can because they are conditioning us for it's ultimate use. So we don't mind the cost . The cost is everything we have. Our schools our hospitals our roads and most of all our power grid.

    We are in trouble because our power grid is old. It is vulnerable and will eventually fail. Because we have refused to do anything about it. You will notice all new buildings have no wires and are capable of self powering. They know.

    So yes we are in trouble.

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    "CBS NEWS December 16, 2016, 5:13 PM

    Obama press conference: The president calls Electoral College a "vestige"

    “But the truth of the matter is that if we have a strong message if we’re speaking to what the American people care about, typically the popular vote and the Electoral College vote will align.”

    cbsnews.com/news/obama-press-conference...

    Where is the distortion?

    FDR had a good message and had the working class in mind and got elected four times. People are grateful. Clinton and Obama couldn't get a Democrat elected to follow their terms.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "CBS NEWS December 16, 2016, 5:13 PM

    Obama press conference: The president calls Electoral College a "vestige"

    “But the truth of the matter is that if we have a strong message if we’re speaking to what the American people care about, typically the popular vote and the Electoral College vote will align.”

    cbsnews.com/news/obama-press-conference...

    Where is the distortion?

    FDR had a good message and had the working class in mind and got elected four times. People are grateful. Clinton and Obama couldn't get a Democrat elected to follow their terms.

    I provided Obama’s quote verbatim. I also provided a link to his entire press conference, which you obviously didn’t watch or read the transcript of. You, once again, provided a quote that distorted what he actually said.