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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    To avoid charges of sabotaging a thread I am taking part of a thread and starting a new thread to see why we are so far behind.

    • Democrats wouldn't find themselves in this pickle if they didn't sit out the 2010 midterm elections"

      I know some like to gloss over the phraseology and cause for the turn over but it ought to be thought about.

    • Carlitos

      10-05-2017 2 hrs

      Hippie punching the “professional left” and denigrating a voting bloc of Democrats on the eve of the midterms worked out well in 2010, huh?"

    • My view is from the bottom and the working man. Clinton lost his first midterms because he ignored the little people. He has the traditional "Here is what is good for you" instead of "Here is how I am going to make your life better." Obama first warning sign of deviating from making life easier to this is what you need was when he refused to support alleviating the tax gas tax when gasoline was hitting $5/gallon. MCCain supported the suspension. I had people working for me spending $250/week for gas. Obama said cutting the tax would send the wrong message. The message he sent was that he had no comprehension of working people's finances. Then he got elected with almost the same drain the swamp attitude and promptly filled his cabinet with the worst the swamp had to offer. In reality he hired the people that had the most facility and proficiency with the workings of the financial world. Including and probably the worst representation "Geithner". He took the reigns of one of the worst messes on earth and the population was shattered. Unemployment near 10% and instead of reassuring with jobs and economy work he is pushing healthcare. He took on the world's greatest mess but prioritising his work differently would not have made the voters felt abandoned and deserted. Would not have given the Republicans the Majority. It is not a voting bloc we are talking about. It is the "vast majority of people" that need to be recognized by the minority of status quo. The party mainstream has been wrong for a long time. That small minority keeps pushing a losing platform. If the status quo would examine and attack Wall Street in the same manner they do universal healthcare a mandate would develop.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    You seem to have completely forgotten about President Obama's first act - helping push through a nearly trillion dollar recovery act.

    President Obama wanted more, but the votes weren't there. What you and so many other Bernie or busters don't seem to understand is that the Congress passes bills and the President chooses to sign or veto them.

    Here's a short educational video for those who don't understand how a bill become a law:

    As this video meant for children in elementary school explains - President can't just waive a magic wand and get everything he (and hopefully eventually she) wants.


    Healthcare came later. You also left out the fact that healthcare costs are the reason for a massive amount of bankruptcies. You know what Obamacare did? It cut those bankruptcies by half. I'd like to see those bankruptcies cut by 100%, but 50% is better than zero percent.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Democrats are losing elections because most of them aren't willing to be snake oil salesmen. We refuse to promise the lower and middle classes something that can't be accomplished, which is ensuring all 330 million people in this country have a happy, healthy, and awesome life free of any strife whatsoever.

    I like voting for rationally minded people who don't promise everything in the world "for free!"

    • I'm a proponent of some form of single-payer, but Bernie's plan will cost trillions of dollars a year and will require a massive tax hike on everyone, especially the lower and middle classes.
    • I'm a proponent of a progressive tax system, but the far left proposes a tax plan that will kill the middle and upper middle class in order to prop up the lower class. My wife and I don't consider ourselves rich, but we most certainly are in your eyes. Just because we are comfortable and not stressing about money doesn't mean we can book a private jet and fly to Fiji whenever we want.
    • I'm a proponent of massive investments in education and a fairer distribution of those dollars to ensure that all children regardless of their zip code receive a high quality education, but all I hear from the far left on that is crickets.

    I can go on and on about how the far left is out of whack with what the vast majority of Americans want, but facts don't seem to mean a damn thing to those on the far left. It's "my way or the highway" and you chose the highway in 2016.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Long story short. Democrats stayed away because they felt sold out by Obama. He took on an unbelievable probably worst conditions ever and did a fabulous job. Only problem was he should have played up to the image he ran on. Should have made almost 10% unemployment and cleaning up Wall Street stand out more. Geithner was a mistake not in operations but percepttion. Incredible big mess and he did great except for dissapointing enough to lose mid terms. Sometimes fault has to be assigned to the candidate.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    BTW, The most Radical My Way or The Highway rhetoric comes from jaredsxtn/Schmidt e.g. If you don't follow the jaredsxtn Schmidt plan will lose all elections, judicial appointments, blame every election loss on far left.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: BTW, The most Radical My Way or The Highway rhetoric comes from jaredsxtn/Schmidt e.g. If you don't follow the jaredsxtn Schmidt plan will lose all elections, judicial appointments, blame every election loss on far left.

    Say what you want about me, but Hillary received three million more votes in the general election over Donald and she also obliterated Bernie in the Democratic primary. Your hero went toe to toe against the hated Hillary and lost big league.

    We all know you're in favor of overruling the will of the American people and are a big fan of the undemocratic electoral college, but now you seem to be in favor of overruling the will of Democratic primary voters as well.

    Does the word democracy mean anything to you or does it only matter if your guy wins?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The electoral college is a non issue brought to the forefront as one of a barrage of excuses for losing 2016. I agree with what Obama said:"if we have a strong message, if we're speaking to what the American people care about, typically the popular vote and the Electoral College vote will align." So Obama and I aren't in cahoots to subvert the will of the people. Quite the contrary is the reality. Pay attention to what the people are suffering and do something about it. The country needs prosperity and prosperity is a simple function of money. Unfortunately there is only opposition to prosperity because a certain measure of people would rather see suffering and strife instead of peace and prosperity. Recognize what people need and make it happen. Obama agrees.

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  • Center Left
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    In football a weaker opponent will often blame the officials, weather or anything but themselves. Jared, how's that "win" feeling today ? It will be even better tomorrow.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: In football a weaker opponent will often blame the officials, weather or anything but themselves. Jared, how's that "win" feeling today ? It will be even better tomorrow.
    In football the team who gets the most points actually wins the game.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Why we are in trouble. Gerrymandering.

    "In the process of setting electoral districts, gerrymandering is a practice intended to establish a political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating district boundaries. "

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dockadams Wrote:

    Why we are in trouble. Gerrymandering.

    "In the process of setting electoral districts, gerrymandering is a practice intended to establish a political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating district boundaries. "

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

    Democrats win more votes, but continue to "lose" because the Republican Party has the deck stacked in their favor in more ways than one.

    Democrats won six million more votes than Republicans in 2016 Senate elections, but Republicans have a 52-48 majority in the upper chamber.

    The Democratic candidate won three million more votes than the Republican candidate in the Presidential election, but the Republican still "won" the election.

    The Democratic party in numerous states earn more votes than their Republican counterparts, but still find themselves in the minority due to gerrymandering.

    Show these stats to any Bernie or buster and they will put their blinders on and still blame Hillary for everything, even though they are the same people who very likely sat out the 2010 election and effectively handed the redistricting process to Republicans.

    People like them will never, ever, EVER accept that they are the problem and not the solution. They refuse to accept that they are responsible for a conservative Supreme Court and a Republican President. They refuse to accept that they are responsible for the gerrymandered districts we got after the 2010 election. All they think is that they are right and anyone who doesn't agree with everything they say is wrong.

    What's sad is that they will very likely sabotage the 2018 elections by instituting a purity test on Democratic candidates, even ones in purple states where a far left wing agenda will guarantee defeat. They would rather lose every single damn election than vote for someone who doesn't agree with 100% of their beliefs.

    They're "why we are in trouble."

  • Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:

    Why we are in trouble. Gerrymandering.

    "In the process of setting electoral districts, gerrymandering is a practice intended to establish a political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating district boundaries. "

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

    Democrats win more votes, but continue to "lose" because the Republican Party has the deck stacked in their favor in more ways than one.

    Democrats won six million more votes than Republicans in 2016 Senate elections, but Republicans have a 52-48 majority in the upper chamber.

    The Democratic candidate won three million more votes than the Republican candidate in the Presidential election, but the Republican still "won" the election.

    The Democratic party in numerous states earn more votes than their Republican counterparts, but still find themselves in the minority due to gerrymandering.

    Show these stats to any Bernie or buster and they will put their blinders on and still blame Hillary for everything, even though they are the same people who very likely sat out the 2010 election and effectively handed the redistricting process to Republicans.

    People like them will never, ever, EVER accept that they are the problem and not the solution. They don't see that they are responsible for a conservative Supreme Court or a Republican President. They don't see that they are responsible for the gerrymandered districts we got after the 2010 election. All they think is that they are right and anyone who doesn't agree with everything they say is wrong.

    What's sad is that they will very likely sabotage the 2018 elections by instituting a purity test on Democratic candidates, even ones in purple states where a far left wing agenda will guarantee defeat. They would rather lose every single damn election than vote for someone who doesn't agree with 100% of their beliefs.

    By reading some of these posts, it's looking like they're blaming more than Mrs. Clinton, they're blaming the democratic party too, along with a few democrats too, Pelosi-Schumer, and so on. Long list of disgruntled. I, like you partially blame voters who would be democratic voters who just can't force themselves off of their couches on election day to go vote, who would have thought that exercising your basic civil rights to democracy would be taken so damned lightly. It's not just a right, it's the people's duty to get to the polls and vote. The latter is how I feel about voting, it's my civic duty. There's no excuse not to.
  • Independent
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    I've been years and years on the site; but the story remains the same; this country is not the UNITED States; it consist of 50 plus individual countries. Alabama is not California. The main problem is that the education about human interfaces and how an society ought to work, as well an corrupt system prevents normalcy in all facts of life. Having only a two party system does not represent an healthy society. On top of that "elections" here are pure money driven; the lobby system is about the worst you can have in an civilized so called democratic country. All of what we endure right now is an self inflicted wound; due to our old English based system as well an Constitution which is outdated and manipulated by a zillion lawyers. Proper laws to elect and "vet" an President or others are non-existent; result known. Neither there are proper laws to get rid of an non-functioned President. Yes there is an (vague not quite defined; let alone the process) law if an President is incapable of doing his function; but no one dares to use that law, because the Congress (Republicans) still sit up to their necks into the ass of the guy; plus a zillion lawyers will always find ways to undo such thing.. What a country!!! : religious cowboys with six shooters get elected here; no brains are needed, as well be super religious and make sure you get "hand outs" from the lobbyists; then you are in the saddle for sure. Just as an example: electing Supreme Court judges for life is absolutely the most stupid thing I've ever seen. But yeah this is America; we know everything better on this isolated "island". Jesus will take care of us!!
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Title of thread should have been "we're in trouble"
  • Independent
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    Dock, yes in deep shit; commonsense is totally out of the window. Lets have some more wars that will solve Trump's problems as he sees it. It is time that this country realizes that our stupid antique laws and non-laws where needed, created all of this. Yes this is an third world country now, with an mental patient "dictator" who only cares about himself.