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Q: Why did the NFL unite so quickly and so overwhelmingly

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  • Independent
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    Q: Why did the NFL unite so quickly and so overwhelmingly?

    Is simply an issue of free speech, or is there more to it? Neither the players or owners hesitated in their united response. AFAIK, not a single owner took trump's side.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    When the vast majority of your players are black, they have no choice. It was a business decision. Not only that but the manner in which Trump provoked the divide by calling a black player a son of a bitch helped put Trump deep into the other corner.

    Nevertheless, Trump's goal was also achieved...to further divide Americans into two camps and divert attention away from the other more important issues of the day. In that sense you can say that Trump continues to control the media who are always looking for the sensational story for their headlines.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Isn't the NBA going to fine anyone who displays (disrespect) protest when paying homage to our dear country?

    Okay, the NFL is 70% blackness. Point well taken. How about it's okay for whitey to protest with the blackies? What'll happen if whitey doesn't stand with blackie? Will they suspend the football game and fight on the field to protect their rights to do what they want when they want? No. They're obviously united together for a cause.

    Wait...how about it's an organization united in protest for how American citizens are fed up with being trampled upon and having their civil rights tossed out the window, this isn't fucking Russia you know.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    We've discussed some of this anthem protest in an other thread. But the question asked was why the NFL came together, owners and players, so quickly. The bottom line is that it was a business decision for the owners...some might have agreed with the protesters and some might not have. But when it comes to running the business, the owners sided with their employees going against the dictum of the president that they should fire their employees. They had little choice.
  • Center Left
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    First off, I absolutely despise that I have to see politics at the beginning of each game now. Politics and sports should stay church and state (or, you know. how it's supposed to be). Keep them far, far away from each other. It's not the NFL or even Trump's fault this is happening in the NFL.... It's the citizens for allowing it. It would hurt the NFL very badly if everyone united and not watched the games on TV, and far worse if a lot of people didn't buy tickets until the reality show drama stopped. And to be clear, I could care less if they are taking a knee. That is their American right to do so. It's very dangerous to cherry pick which parts of the constitution someone is or isn't allowed to do. Peacefully protesting by doing absolutely nothing is far better than some other groups I could mention. I care that I have to go through that feeling at the beginning of each game that I am watching to get some relief from the absolute joke of a society that we are living in. And no one left, right, center, ind, or anything can honestly deny that we haven't let it get to an embarrassingly bad state.

    Now to answer you question, as someone who follows both politics and the NFL/sports, the timing was perfect for everyone to hop on the knee train. Kapernick broke the ice by doing it first months back. Then a few more trickled in, but it didn't quite feel right for everyone to become as noble. The most important thing here is that it is no longer about race. It is now about Trump and the circus our government has become. Anyone who looked into it for even a couple minutes in the beginning would know that originally it was about police beating/killing African Americans and authorities abusing power. Basically, race is what fueled the fire. It's sooo much easier now to protest the state of the obviously bad government, rather than an extremely sensitive racial issue that was mostly geared towards African Americans. Once the race issue calmed down and it turned into a civilians vs. government protest, it became something that ALL NFL players could hop on board with. That time happened last/this month.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    When the vast majority of your players are black, they have no choice. It was a business decision. Not only that but the manner in which Trump provoked the divide by calling a black player a son of a bitch helped put Trump deep into the other corner.

    Nevertheless, Trump's goal was also achieved...to further divide Americans into two camps and divert attention away from the other more important issues of the day. In that sense you can say that Trump continues to control the media who are always looking for the sensational story for their headlines.

    Schmidt said: "Trump provoked the divide by calling a black player a son of a bitch helped put Trump deep into the other corner."

    You nailed it Schmidt. Trump attacked the families in the worst possible way. If that insult collects attention he will have problems within his core support in addition to reaction in general. "Son of a bitch " is reprehensible. It is character assasination adding disgust in addition to disagreement. "A son of a bitch" is a person that uses power of political, monetary or celebrity status to "grab women by the pussy" and if "a son of a bitch" can be worse , then brag about it.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: We've discussed some of this anthem protest in an other thread. But the question asked was why the NFL came together, owners and players, so quickly. The bottom line is that it was a business decision for the owners...some might have agreed with the protesters and some might not have. But when it comes to running the business, the owners sided with their employees going against the dictum of the president that they should fire their employees. They had little choice.

    Well, I'll tell you what, in 2003, I operated an expedited cargo company. While I was convalescing from an illness at home, I hired a guy to do my pickup and delivery work. About a week into the job, the driver I hired was at my home and we were going over freight bills, paperwork and expenses. The driver (Tom) complained about some N*&^%$ at a receiving dock, that he refused to sign the freight bill until it was unloaded off the van, Tom insisted the receiver (calling him the N word again) sign the bill first before unloading. I explained to Tom that this isn't the way warehouses or any other business operated, I asked him for the keys and the fuel card and told him he was finished. I did not need a person representing my company referring to a black person as a n*&^%$, and I told Tom that too when I let him go.

    I know who Tom was talking about because I'd been to that business before and have met and done business with their receiver (dockman).

    I think the Lt. General of the Air Force Academy speaks for the greater population of the USA

    youtube.com/watch?v=GN6lK0Vh84k

    The NFL owners have or had the right to fire people for protesting, but they decided it is in the best interest of America to come together rather than to divide us all.

    Trump talk is divisive and racist, he has been fanning the flames and pouring gas on a problem Americans have with race. I blame him for this.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Trump has had a grudge with the NFL for more than 30 years, when he was the owner of a USFL football team. The link below provides more details:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-take-a-knee-nfl-protest-con-man-huckster-scumbag-american-football-usfl-john-bassett-a7972281.html

    One thing that is very obvious from this article has that Trump has been an absolute jerk for a very long time. It's interesting to note that one owner promised to punch Trump in the face if he continued criticizing other owners (sound familiar?).

    Some of the replies above mentioned the business decision aspect of the protest. Since Trump's popularity is currently hovering around 35%, a smart business owner would resist Trump and his agenda as frequently as possible.

  • Independent
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    I agree that it was a business decision. Maybe some owners like him, and others don't. However, even the owners who might personally like trump can see he is bad for their business and they don't want him anywhere near the the NFL.

    If trump had been successful in creating a divide in the NFL, we can bet he would go back to that well again and again for any reason, anytime. Even the owners who like him, don't want him to be tweeting BS about various teams\players\owners when he ticked off at a city or the results of a game or who fucking knows why. trump could be ticked off as some game results and tweet that Player X, Y, Z be fired alone with their coach, and start giving teams and player nicknames "The Washington Losers" or "Morgran the Moron". The NFL as whole does want each week the NFL Game discussions to center around trump tweets or rally BS, that triggers pitting players against coaches against management.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Trump is bad for anyone who dislikes him, or, bad for anyone in his cabinet, as we have witnessed. The short list of people who like Trump might be his family, and then, maybe not even. Melania now shakes his hand instead of giving pecks on the cheek.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    When the vast majority of your players are black, they have no choice. It was a business decision. Not only that but the manner in which Trump provoked the divide by calling a black player a son of a bitch helped put Trump deep into the other corner.

    Nevertheless, Trump's goal was also achieved...to further divide Americans into two camps and divert attention away from the other more important issues of the day. In that sense you can say that Trump continues to control the media who are always looking for the sensational story for their headlines.

    His goal of changing the topic was also achieved. Instead of talking about why Kaepernick and countless other NFL players were taking a knee Donald was able to get everyone talking about what it means to be a patriot.

    For those who don't know why Kaepernick started kneeling, it's because he had grown tired of the racial disparities in America. He had grown tired of cops continuing to get off scot-free after murdering unarmed black people and decided to take a stand (or knee) against it.

    "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

    Donald doesn't want to talk about that, so he changed the discussion. Unfortunately, millions of people fell for it and now we're talking about patriotism and worshiping a piece of cloth instead of police brutality against our black citizens.

    It's really depressing when you think about it.

  • Center Left
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    Exactly right it is terribly bad that the rules are so negatively slanted and when a man makes a reasonable peaceful protest... the last thing anyone ever wants to do is discuss the racial problems at all. 6 seconds for a remark on the topic before walking away to get their phone.

    Racial problems are 50 years behind schedule for being dealt with and most don't have the ability to have a 45 minute discussion to share views and look for common ground.

    Right wing media has twisted it from a reasonable cause into an uppity overpaid athlete not praising old glory.

    Misrepresentation and manipulative contortions are standard fare these days.

    Sadly the bottom line is the issue is not being addressed at all.

  • Independent
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    What trump is doing is akin to a minority person intentionally abusing the topic of racism for personal gain.

    trump is abusing patriotism and the symbol of the flag as a weapon. And what is so bad, he is attacking people who weren't even pointing their finger at trump.

    I agree the media and the country takes the bait too often. He's floundering on all issues, not just the major ones.

  • Independent
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    One thing that is very obvious from this article has that Trump has been an absolute jerk for a very long time. It's interesting to note that one owner promised to punch Trump in the face if he continued criticizing other owners (sound familiar?).

    Some of the replies above mentioned the business decision aspect of the protest. Since Trump's popularity is currently hovering around 35%, a smart business owner would resist Trump and his agenda as frequently as possible.

    Thanks for the link.

    If trump were part of the NFL he would attempt to turn the NFL into a pro-wrestling circus. He'd have nick-names for all the owners and elite players. Example of a fictional tweet "The Dallas Cowgirls lost again today, they couldn't beat a team of girl scouts. Jackass Jerry Jones is pussy-whipped and so is his team. Grow a pair. Sad!"


    Generally CEOs prefer to stay out of politics because being pro\con is bad for business. No public political opinion is often the best choice in business, which is why its very interesting that NFL owners\players united so quickly and unified against trump. They sent a clear message "Stay the fuck away from our business\sport". Both players and owners could see that he was trying to pit them against each other hoping that the NFL would become a firestorm of controversy for weeks\months.

    Great example for rest of the country of how to respond and not taking the bait. I have a lot more respect for the NFL for seeing through trump BS, and telling him symbolically to "Fuck Off!".

  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote:

    Right wing media has twisted it from a reasonable cause into an uppity overpaid athlete not praising old glory.

    Misrepresentation and manipulative contortions are standard fare these days.

    Sadly the bottom line is the issue is not being addressed at all.

    Yeah, got to love how they ignore, or dismiss, the entire reason why Kapernick took the first kneel.

    It will be interesting to see how history 20-30 years from now views his actions. It likely he will be viewed as an important sport figure who did something very simple that had a huge long term positive social impact.

    I hate to say this, but trump has a knack for saying\doing all the wrong things, that likely will trigger good changes in America, but not the change he wanted\hoped\planned. By stinking up the room with his smelly farts of entitlement for himself and his base, he is unintentionally getting people off their duff and standing up for what they believe, aka, those who did not vote in the last presidential election.