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    "Tens of thousands of Americans died because they were sent off to a far off land to fight in a stupid war. Why do you care what weapons they used?"

    If the gun was reliable when released lives would have been saved. A gun with defects was put in service to save money. Compromised for budget concerns. That's why I care.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: But I just realized that taking care of preexisting conditions is going to make health insurance an astronomically high cost that can only be addressed by single payer health insurance. The only way to make it work will be a special department of the government that is health care.

    Congratulations. You finally figured out that paying for healthcare is complicated.

    Single payer would be great, but what type of single payer are you advocating? Bernie-care? Canada-care? Germany-care?

    It would probably be smart to figure out what you want because you just seem like an angry man who wants everything for free!!!

    Spoiler alert - everything isn't free and healthcare is complicated.

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    How about tweaking the ACA and renaming it Universal Healthcare.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: But I just realized that taking care of preexisting conditions is going to make health insurance an astronomically high cost that can only be addressed by single payer health insurance. The only way to make it work will be a special department of the government that is health care.

    Congratulations. You finally figured out that paying for healthcare is complicated.

    Single payer would be great, but what type of single payer are you advocating? Bernie-care? Canada-care? Germany-care?

    It would probably be smart to figure out what you want because you just seem like an angry man who wants everything for free!!!

    Spoiler alert - everything isn't free and healthcare is complicated.

    Millions of people are being denied health care although they have coverage because they can't afford the copays and deductibles. The mortality rate is increasing inspite of promises to the contrary. All being defended by irrational conservatives blatantly parading coverage as care. All the while ignoring the early deaths and increased suffering. Serious problems ignored. Why???
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    Why did Bernie or busters in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania vote for a narcissistic sociopath out of pure spite? We will never know.
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    All my problems are caused by someone else (Bernie). Sounds very Republican in nature. Maybe you should build a wall around Bernie and his followers. You have the hate on target. This is why we have no chance of any gains. Infighting is kind of pathetic. Seriously, your expectations should be higher.
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    TJ Wrote: All my problems are caused by someone else (Bernie). Sounds very Republican in nature. Maybe you should build a wall around Bernie and his followers. You have the hate on target. This is why we have no chance of any gains. Infighting is kind of pathetic. Seriously, your expectations should be higher.

    I'm actually quite content with my life, but I also understand facts. And the facts are that Bernie or busters are the reason Donald Trump is our President. That might make you uncomfortable, but facts don't care if you are uncomfortable or not.

    I think it's imperative that people on the left side of the aisle learn to compromise. If the far left doesn't learn to compromise then we will have a permanent Republican majority in this country.

    Democrats fall in love while Republicans fall in line. That may be a tired cliche, but the sad thing about cliches is that they are often true.

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    Chet -- If you Google "ObamaCare success" you will find all kinds of links to the success of the Affordable Care Act mostly from 2014 and 2015. ObamaCare was working fine as intended in those states that embraced it. The Republicans could not stand that and set out to sabotage it in every way they could. Here's a list:

    10 ways the GOP sabotaged Obamacare

    Most notable of course is the refusal of red states to do the Medicaid expansion. That had a big effect.

    The point that I will make though is that no health care system can work if certain Republicans work to undermine it. And they can only do that because they control Congress and the presidency.

    Do you really think that BernieCare will be immune from sabotage even if it by some miracle it could get passed into law? La la land again.

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    Yes Schmidt; you should know by now that you are living in la la land. It never has been the objective of our leaders to provide healthcare services in line with other civilized countries. The objective always has been "ego's" and what is in it for me; our election system as well education in this country is at fault. The total refusal to do as the world around us does, is the problem We always try to invent the wheel again. As well in doing so, we start at "Z" instead of at "A". This is an national sickness. Cause and effect is never taught here. This should be taught already at 3rd grade; the same level Trump has achieved. Sorry but this is an isolated "island" in this big world.
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    When I was canvassing for Obama, I met some Republicans who had preexisting conditions and planned to vote for Obama. Those Republicans and Democrats with preexisting conditions have been thanking Obama ever since because they finally have affordable health care. And for the poor, many of them also have affordable health care through the Medicaid expansion.

    These are stories that are not talked about. Sure, ObamaCare needed a few fixes and wasn't perfect. But for a while it worked and could have achieved universal coverage if it wasn't for the sabotage. Somehow those stores are missed as progressives push for Single Payer "Free Everything for All" that goes beyond anything in Canada or Europe...and supposedly cheaper. That's La la land.

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    "Free Everything for All" It amazes me how so called Democrats that under their breath imply that health care is a human right and then try to demonize that right by the mocking term "Free Everything for All"". If health care is a human right then it is provided. I believe it is a right and a society and government should exist to provide it. It appears that some people feel that it cost to get health care and if people can't afford it then they can suffer more and die sooner. Obama's answer to people that couldn't afford health care insurance was they don't get health care insurance. That is the bottom line of how much help there is and that is why Trump is President. The Democratic Party abandoned the very people that they prevented from making a good living by giving financial control to self interests.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: "Free Everything for All" It amazes me how so called Democrats that under their breath imply that health care is a human right and then try to demonize that right by the mocking term "Free Everything for All"". If health care is a human right then it is provided. I believe it is a right and a society and government should exist to provide it. It appears that some people feel that it cost to get health care and if people can't afford it then they can suffer more and die sooner.

    I wont speak for Schmidt, but I mock that term because there's no such thing as a free lunch and it's disingenuous at best for Bernie to claim his proposed legislation won't bring about a massive tax hike on the lower and middle-classes. You can tax the wealthiest one percent at 99.99999999999999% and not come close to paying for Bernie's plan. The way this plan is written will require a monumental tax hike on the common man you profess to care so much about.

    If you're ok with that then admit it! But stop attacking people who have the audacity to point out that this plan would cost trillions of dollars a year.

    I've tried providing graphs, pictures, and links to articles from people that are a hell of a lot smarter than me in an attempt to show you that Bernie's plan isn't remotely feasible without dramatically increasing the tax burden on the lower classes. You have ignored them all because you ignore anything that goes against your preconceived beliefs.

    I'm for single-payer, but I'm for a smart single-payer. Promising everything in the world "for free!" isn't smart. Casually writing off the concerns of the well over 150 million Americans who have employer based insurance and are used to getting high quality care from a specialized doctor isn't smart. Ignoring the fact that we already have a massive doctor shortage isn't smart. I can go on and on and on.

    Bernie's plan isn't realistic. It promises the world while asking for nothing in return. We can do better.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Obama's answer to people that couldn't afford health care insurance was they don't get health care insurance. That is the bottom line of how much help there is and that is why Trump is President. The Democratic Party abandoned the very people that they prevented from making a good living by giving financial control to self interests.

    Are you insane? Obama's answer to the people that couldn't afford health insurance was to tell them they don't get health insurance? What the hell are you talking about?

    Obama repeatedly said he preferred single-payer but knew it was a non-starter in Congress. His compromise (sorry for using that four letter word) was to push hard for the public option. One Senator, Joe Lieberman, said no and was willing to sabotage the entire bill if he didn't get his way. In order to get something passed, Obama compromised again and settled on Medicaid expansion.

    The Supreme Court stepped in over a year later and said "nope, that's unconstitutional" and ruled that states don't have to expand Medicaid. Red states moved to block Medicaid expansion while blue states moved forward with it.

    Seriously man. Your anger clouds your ability to think clearly. This country is not a monarchy. The President's powers are extremely limited outside of the armed forces. He can't just waive a wand and get everything he wants.

    That's what Bernie is promising and that is what too many gullible Americans have convinced themselves of. I'm not gullible. I actually understand how this government functions.