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Graham Cassidy is Class Disenfrachisement

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    A person with heart. (CNN)Sen. Susan Collins announced Monday afternoon that she will oppose the GOP's latest plan to overhaul the Affordable Care Act, bringing the total number of public "no" votes to three and likely killing the last-ditch effort to repeal Obamacare this week.

    Any healthcare plan from the GOP is a cruel cold hearted arbitrary statement that if you can't pay for it you don't get it. Arbitrary be cause they have no problem socialising and subsidising debt to their benefit. They will engineer deductibles and co-pays in every kind of insurance to their benefit but start applying purity constraints when benefits appear humanitarian in nature.

  • Center Left
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    The next several days will be very important. I hope better judgment wins out over manipulative ways.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I was watchin- g the VietNam War show on PBS. Nixon prolonged the war to insure his reelection and people died that didn't have to. That same group will cut taxes and more people will die that don't have to. Health care is a matter of life and death. What does it take to make death and suffering an issue.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Keep this in mind when the GOP tries to pass any type of healthcare bill, that they have their healthcare and other benefits paid for by taxpayers, they have the best of healthcare, the very best, why would they even care about what they offer citizens of the USA, they just flat out don't give a fuck what we have. Really, they do not care. About the only reason there are GOP hold outs is because they're afraid of their constituency and getting reelected, that's all. Trump and the GOP will keep trying to repeal what we now have, they won't give it up.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    MSM is reporting the repeal of the ACA is dead and will not be taken to the floor for a vote. That is good news, except republicans keep rearing their ugly little heads every few days, let's see what they're going to try to pull off before the weekend.
  • Center Left
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    The majority see what the Republicans are trying to do is garbage that will negatively affect many. While I realize many won't open their mouths at all. I hope social media will provide easy electronic contact information for the politicians that need contacted. 99% won't write a letter or make a phone call but if Facebook provided click here to e mail your representatives it might allow for a large number of "Hey don't negatively affect me" e mails. If they suddenly received 20,000 e mails they might say Shit they're actually paying attention and I may be held accountable. I can only hope.
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    Dockadams Wrote: MSM is reporting the repeal of the ACA is dead and will not be taken to the floor for a vote. That is good news, except republicans keep rearing their ugly little heads every few days, let's see what they're going to try to pull off before the weekend.

    Graham-Cassidy is dead until the next time they decide to tackle healthcare reform.

    Budget reconciliation rules are more an agreement between Senators than anything else. If Mitch felt he had enough votes to overrule the parliamentarian then he would move to do so, but he doesn't. Well, at least for now.

    This is why I think we are stupid for arguing about single-payer right now. We have to get through the the 115th Congress first. And spoiler alert! Republicans control all branches of government in the 115th Congress.

    Second spoiler alert!! The House and Senate map is abysmal for Democrats in 2018.

    Third spoiler alert!!! Americans typically give a sitting President a chance at two terms. That is compounded by the fact that a handful of angry white people in a handful of states are the only people who actually pick and chose who our President will be.

    So let's maybe drop the whole "free healthcare for all!!!" mantra right now and focus on winning again first.

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    TJ Wrote: The majority see what the Republicans are trying to do is garbage that will negatively affect many. While I realize many won't open their mouths at all. I hope social media will provide easy electronic contact information for the politicians that need contacted. 99% won't write a letter or make a phone call but if Facebook provided click here to e mail your representatives it might allow for a large number of "Hey don't negatively affect me" e mails. If they suddenly received 20,000 e mails they might say Shit they're actually paying attention and I may be held accountable. I can only hope.

    Congress people and Senators pay no attention to Facebook or Twitter posts/emails because Facebook and Twitter are massive corporations. They can just write off all the angry posts/emails as being from people outside of their district or state.

    What they do pay attention to are phone calls and town hall events.


    I also don't think we should get too excited about Facebook being the answer to all of our ills considering they took hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Russian troll farm during the 2016 campaign and very likely handed the Presidency to Donald.

  • Center Left
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    I meant if based on your location e mail addresses could be provided it would be simple to send a brief e mail message wherein a voter could spend 90 seconds to voice displeasure. I think essential communication are missing between voters and representatives.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Third spoiler alert!!! Americans typically give a sitting President a chance at two terms. That is compounded by the fact that a handful of angry white people in a handful of states are the only people who actually pick and chose who our President will be.

    How do yo see this all play out based on what we know at this point, and how things are headed? Do you see trump steam rolling into becoming a two term president?

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: MSM is reporting the repeal of the ACA is dead and will not be taken to the floor for a vote. That is good news, except republicans keep rearing their ugly little heads every few days, let's see what they're going to try to pull off before the weekend.

    Graham-Cassidy is dead until the next time they decide to tackle healthcare reform.

    Budget reconciliation rules are more an agreement between Senators than anything else. If Mitch felt he had enough votes to overrule the parliamentarian then he would move to do so, but he doesn't. Well, at least for now.

    This is why I think we are stupid for arguing about single-payer right now. We have to get through the the 115th Congress first. And spoiler alert! Republicans control all branches of government in the 115th Congress.

    Second spoiler alert!! The House and Senate map is abysmal for Democrats in 2018.

    Third spoiler alert!!! Americans typically give a sitting President a chance at two terms. That is compounded by the fact that a handful of angry white people in a handful of states are the only people who actually pick and chose who our President will be.

    So let's maybe drop the whole "free healthcare for all!!!" mantra right now and focus on winning again first.

    Which is why I wrote: except republicans keep rearing their ugly little heads every few days, let's see what they're going to try to pull off before the weekend.

    I have as much distrust of republicanism as you do Jared.

    As much as McConnell (turtleman) washes, scrubs, rinses and repeats, he just can't get the blackness out of legislation Obama signed into law. He was the original Mr. One Term President whitey or cracker leader. Poor ugly bastard. And, I know he'll keep trying like the other crackers will because they can't stand anything good for the people that Obama accomplished on his watch.

    Long live Obamacare!

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    Dockadams Wrote:

    Which is why I wrote: except republicans keep rearing their ugly little heads every few days, let's see what they're going to try to pull off before the weekend.

    I have as much distrust of republicanism as you do Jared.

    As much as McConnell (turtleman) washes, scrubs, rinses and repeats, he just can't get the blackness out of legislation Obama signed into law. He was the original Mr. One Term President whitey or cracker leader. Poor ugly bastard. And, I know he'll keep trying like the other crackers will because they can't stand anything good for the people that Obama accomplished on his watch.

    Long live Obamacare!

    My previous post was geared more towards a general audience and not necessarily yourself. After rereading it, I can see how it may have come across as me being frustrated with you personally. Sorry for that because it certainly wan't my intention.

    I agree with you that Republicans are going to continue trying to dismantle not just Obamacare, but any and everything with Obama's name on it. Senate rules are more of a guidance than anything else because a simple majority of the Senate can vote to change any and every rule they want.

    If Republicans truly cared about gutting Obamacare and wanted to get around any Democratic opposition then they could simply vote to change reconciliation rules or even vote to get rid of the filibuster entirely. The reason they haven't pulled that trigger yet is they know full well that they aren't going to be a permanent majority and the Democrats would exact their revenge ten fold at a later date.

    That's really the only thing keeping them from getting rid of the filibuster. They know that it may give them some short term wins, but will wind up biting them in the ass down the road.