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Republicans Close to Gutting ACA While Dem's Fight Over Single-Payer

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    TJ Wrote:

    This was a thing I saw on Facebook. Interesting. To me this is class warfare. The greedy wealthy won't stop until they have far more. The narcissistic conman president is trying to pad their and his wealth at the expense of anyone who gets in their way.

    Sherrod Brown link removed.

    Age tax according to AARP.

    Devastating to children and families according to Children's Hospital association.

    Bad for all persons according to American Medical Association.

    It's the Affordable care act !!!!!!!!!!!!

    Not Obama care unless you're a bigoted racist ass wipe.

    I can say or call the ACA Obamacare if I want to, when I do, it's not derogatory to me at all, it is a reminder to me and my wife that we had the best president of modern times in America. We love what he tried to do for all. We love him, Michelle and their children, a truly American First Family.
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    When President Obama was asked about the label, he said he didn't mind and that it implied "Obama cares". He embraced it. Yes Obama does care, not like the current incumbent who only cares about himself.
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    Yes Dock you can. Not all who use it have the worst intention but those who started it (most likely Fox news) wanted the idea of insurance for all to come with a mental image of a black man. That is manipulative and 'murica was mostly on board. That psychologically motivated approach is shallow and mean but effective.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Debating single-payer has been fun and all, but how about we get back into the real world and discuss the fact that Senate Republicans are on the verge of completely gutting Obamacare and Medicaid and ripping healthcare away from tens of millions of Americans.

    The Graham-Cassidy bill will change the way states receive healthcare dollars from the Federal government and reward red states that voted for Donald while penalizing blue states that actually went along with Medicaid expansion. California and New York alone could see millions of people lose their healthcare overnight if this plan becomes law.

    This plan is dangerously close to 50 "yes" votes in the Senate and I wouldn't be surprised if the House accepts it without debate if the Senate pushes it through.

    But who am I kiddin?! Let's keep fighting about single-payer because fighting about things that will never become law are far more important than actually discussing things that have a very real possibility of happening...

    Quick question, wouldn't the GOP need 60 votes to repeal when October begins?
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    TJ Wrote:

    Yes Dock you can. Not all who use it have the worst intention but those who started it (most likely Fox news) wanted the idea of insurance for all to come with a mental image of a black man. That is manipulative and 'murica was mostly on board. That psychologically motivated approach is shallow and mean but effective.

    During Obama's terms, I recall white right wing websites putting a black woman on video out front that was claiming she was going to get her a free Obamaphone. The fact of that matter was that free cell phones and free use of landlines came about during Reagan's presidency, it gave low income people access to phones so they wouldn't be without communication devices in situations when they needed phones for making doctor appointments for medical care, a way to call for emergency services if needed, and for other reasons too.

    "It is sort of sad that the woman in Drudge's "Obama phone" video has no idea that her free cell phone has nothing to do with Obama. But conservatives who would try and hold her up as an example of a liberal president gone wild with handouts are just as sad and ignorant, and more cruel by a large margin."

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    "Today, 38 states, one of which is Ohio, participate in the Lifeline program. If you live in one of those locales and your income is at or below 135 percent of the poverty line, or if you qualify for certain benefit programs like Medicaid and TANF, you can apply for a free cell phone that offers you 250 minutes of talk time per month. The people who are getting these phones aren't getting iPhones or other smartphones; they're often people in urban or rural areas who are being supplied with basic cell phones so they can call the hospital when they're sick, or receive calls if there's a problem with their child at school."

    Yes, the right wing nut jobs tried anything and everything to discredit a black man being our president, sick.

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    Don't forget that United We Stand is a winning position in any and everything. Divide and conquer is the destruction of society. Anything absolutely anything praising state's rights is narrow minded, subjective and counter productive. The right wing calls for state's rights because it disrupts cooperation.
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    Dockadams Wrote: Quick question, wouldn't the GOP need 60 votes to repeal when October begins?

    According to the current reconciliation rules, but Senators can vote to change any rule they want with a simple majority. Even if they don't go down that path, they can simply give it another try in January when the Congressional calendar starts anew.

    The only thing that can prevent Republicans from unilaterally repealing Obamacare is a Democratic majority in the House or Senate.

    I'm not holding my breath there because the 2018 Senate map is abysmal for Democrats and any centrist Democrat who has the audacity to stand up to the Bernie or busters will likely be primaried. I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans actually pick up 4-5 seats in the 2018 Senate election.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: Quick question, wouldn't the GOP need 60 votes to repeal when October begins?

    According to the current reconciliation rules, but Senators can vote to change any rule they want with a simple majority. Even if they don't go down that path, they can simply give it another try in January when the Congressional calendar starts anew.

    The only thing that can prevent Republicans from unilaterally repealing Obamacare is a Democratic majority in the House or Senate.

    I'm not holding my breath there because the 2018 Senate map is abysmal for Democrats and any centrist Democrat who has the audacity to stand up to the Bernie or busters will likely be primaried. I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans actually pick up 4-5 seats in the 2018 Senate election.

    I didn't know about their silly rules. Yeah, they'll bide their time and bring it back to the front burner in January like you say. I still don't trust a republican to do anything good for the people, they're interested in their own agenda. I don't know how people in red states will come out and vote mid term for their candidate, after all, it's red states that love the ACA and don't want it taken away from them (they're pissed off), but the only thing we can hope for is that republican voters will stay home and not vote like our democrat voters did in the presidential election, that might help democrats pick up some seats.
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    These serious questions from Elizabeth Warren are the type of questions providers of insurance, etc. Should be answering. Just watched and decided to share it.

    m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=179...

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    TJ Wrote:

    These serious questions from Elizabeth Warren are the type of questions providers of insurance, etc. Should be answering. Just watched and decided to share it.

    m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=179...

    Yes T.J. the thing is that other countries did this exercise 40 or more years ago. But yeah, here the insurance companies only want to make profit and never want to take the risks. At least Warren is doing her homework.
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    I think Trump and the republicans are making it harder for Amerikans to believe the ACA is broken or near the breaking point. I enrolled my wife in the 2018 government subsidized health care insurance plan a few days ago. Her premium for 2017 was not too bad at $170.00, but it had a high co-pay and high deductible.

    When I enrolled her a few days ago, we were sticker shocked. Her premium rose by 50%, up to $255.00 a month, and the same old shit of high deductible and co-pays. I'll receive a 2.2% increase in my social security which will offset the monthly premium by about $25.00, she's worked for the same family run operation for a little over a year now, and has not had a pay raise, so her wages are stagnant. 2018 is going to be a bit tougher for us financially, thanks to republicans in charge.

    I voted str8 democrat ticket in the last election, and will do so again in 2018, hoping for a democratic win to retake the house, senate and gubernatorial elections.

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    Dockadams Wrote:

    I think Trump and the republicans are making it harder for Amerikans to believe the ACA is broken or near the breaking point. I enrolled my wife in the 2018 government subsidized health care insurance plan a few days ago. Her premium for 2017 was not too bad at $170.00, but it had a high co-pay and high deductible.

    When I enrolled her a few days ago, we were sticker shocked. Her premium rose by 50%, up to $255.00 a month, and the same old shit of high deductible and co-pays. I'll receive a 2.2% increase in my social security which will offset the monthly premium by about $25.00, she's worked for the same family run operation for a little over a year now, and has not had a pay raise, so her wages are stagnant. 2018 is going to be a bit tougher for us financially, thanks to republicans in charge.

    I voted str8 democrat ticket in the last election, and will do so again in 2018, hoping for a democratic win to retake the house, senate and gubernatorial elections.

    Dock, as I wrote many times : This country is f.....d up ; the health industry has got an awful strong lobby as do the drug companies. Over in Europe no lobbying allowed; the governments there first negotiate pricing etc., before putting things on paper. Over here they do the reverse; first draft an health document and actually don't negotiate anything at all with the involved parties like doctors, the health industry as well drug companies. They have never learned here to start at "A" and end up at "Z". Yes an "dumb" country related to systems/laws as well the leaders are still in kindergarten.