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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Bernie Sanders has introduced his so called "Single Payer Medicare-for-All" legislation in the Senate. I choose to call it “BernieCare” rather than the “Single Payer Medicare-for-All” title that Sanders ascribes to it. While Bernie’s title is a political winner, it is intellectually dishonest -- meant to deceive many of us seniors who are on Medicare and like it. Sanders’ proposed legislation has little in common with Medicare -- not in terms of benefits, premiums or funding. The only thing it really has in common with Medicare is that it is government run and puts limits on the compensation to private doctors, hospitals, and others caregivers servicing patients. It is as Republicans put it a "giant government takeover of everyone's healthcare."

    By borrowing a successful name for “Medicare-for-all” the politically savvy Sanders ensures that the name recognition alone will resonate positively with the public even though much of the public may have little idea of what his legislation will entail. A more appropriate name for his legislation is “Free Everything for All”. It polls well now because Americans are "low information voters" and are totally ignorant of what it entails...that everyone will give up their current plans to become enrolled in BernieCare...everyone!

    The "Medicare for all" is nothing more than a slogan like "make America great again". Free everything is expensive as the residents of Vermont (Sander’s home state), California and Colorado decided when they were asked to approved variations of BernieCare. The Colorado ballot measure failed by a whopping 60 point margin in the November 2016 election, a state won by Clinton.

    It should serve notice to Democrats that getting on the Bernie bandwagon with the populist BernieCare could spell their defeat by Republicans in the 2018 midterm election, but more importantly the 2020 election in which the newly elected state legislatures get to oversee redistricting after the 2020 census. If Democrats go all in on BernieCare, it could be a repeat of the 2010 election when Americans voted against ObamaCare in a big way.

    That is the reality of BernieCare. The 76 year old Senator Sanders is seeking to either take over the Democratic party or destroy it forever as he pursues his life long socialist dream.

    Republican will love for Democrats to go all in on BernieCare. It is their wet dream for winning the 2020 election.

    PS -- While Sanders has introduced his bill in the Senate the details have not yet been posted in the Senate website for pending legislation. I will elaborate more when I can read the fine print and not become a victim to his one-sided but very effective marketing.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Bernie Sanders’s Medicare-for-all plan is only a start. But it’s the right start.

    The discussion will have to deal with how many people are you wiling to let die and suffer under the current system. The Republicans will have a hard time countering an argument based on human rights.

    Hillary said single payer is an eventuality.

    Schmidt, Revive the party of the working people and become a victim to his one-sided but very effective marketing. It is the right thing to do. For the people.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The reality is that BernieCare will not only divide the Democrats, it is virtually guaranteed to give Republicans a big win in 2020, just like ObamaCare did in 2010. That will mean another 10 years of gerrymandered districts and Republican rule...either Trump or Pence fro president.

    Is it worth it? Even Sanders says it has little chance of passing this Congress or the next Congress. When a variation of BernieCare was pushed onto the ballot in Colorado in November 2016, Coloradoans did their homework and said "no no no no". It was defeated by a 60 point margin. Only the Bernie progressives supported it.

    The 157 million Americans with health care through their employers are not going to vote to trade away their healthcare for a government monopoly on their heath care needs. Sure the 28.5 million without insurance will always support it. But they don't have the numbers to support it.

    I deal with reality...not the feel good stuff that has no chance of becoming law.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Bernie Sanders has introduced his so called "Single Payer Medicare-for-All" legislation in the Senate. I choose to call it “BernieCare” rather than the “Single Payer Medicare-for-All” title that Sanders ascribes to it. While Bernie’s title is a political winner, it is intellectually dishonest -- meant to deceive many of us seniors who are on Medicare and like it. Sanders’ proposed legislation has little in common with Medicare -- not in terms of benefits, premiums or funding. The only thing it really has in common with Medicare is that it is government run and puts limits on the compensation to private doctors, hospitals, and others caregivers servicing patients. It is as Republicans put it a "giant government takeover of everyone's healthcare."

    By borrowing a successful name for “Medicare-for-all” the politically savvy Sanders ensures that the name recognition alone will resonate positively with the public even though much of the public may have little idea of what his legislation will entail. A more appropriate name for his legislation is “Free Everything for All”. It polls well now because Americans are "low information voters" and are totally ignorant of what it entails...that everyone will give up their current plans to become enrolled in BernieCare...everyone!

    The "Medicare for all" is nothing more than a slogan like "make America great again". Free everything is expensive as the residents of Vermont (Sander’s home state), California and Colorado decided when they were asked to approved variations of BernieCare. The Colorado ballot measure failed by a whopping 60 point margin in the November 2016 election, a state won by Clinton.

    It should serve notice to Democrats that getting on the Bernie bandwagon with the populist BernieCare could spell their defeat by Republicans in the 2018 midterm election, but more importantly the 2020 election in which the newly elected state legislatures get to oversee redistricting after the 2020 census. If Democrats go all in on BernieCare, it could be a repeat of the 2010 election when Americans voted against ObamaCare in a big way.

    That is the reality of BernieCare. The 76 year old Senator Sanders is seeking to either take over the Democratic party or destroy it forever as he pursues his life long socialist dream.

    Republican will love for Democrats to go all in on BernieCare. It is their wet dream for winning the 2020 election.

    PS -- While Sanders has introduced his bill in the Senate the details have not yet been posted in the Senate website for pending legislation. I will elaborate more when I can read the fine print and not become a victim to his one-sided but very effective marketing.

    Hillary said:

    "Yet, Mrs. Clinton seemed to think a single-payer system was inevitable when Clintoncare was the main battle for lawmakers on the Hill. The then-first lady delivered remarks to the Lehman Brothers Health Corporation on June 15, 1994, less than two months before the collapseof Clinton’s health care reform agenda, where she said during the question and answer period; that such a model was probably going to happen anyway"

    Schmidt, why are you so opposed to single payer? The writing is on the wall that working people are getting fed up being treated as non citizens while the upper classes benefit from legislation. Sanders is the way out of a lot of messes. The only thing he has to address is the financial system that has legalized gambling in the stock market. Gambling that has nothing to do with the securing the future of USA industries.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Bernie Sanders’s Medicare-for-all plan is only a start. But it’s the right start.

    The discussion will have to deal with how many people are you wiling to let die and suffer under the current system. The Republicans will have a hard time countering an argument based on human rights.

    Hillary said single payer is an eventuality.

    Schmidt, Revive the party of the working people and become a victim to his one-sided but very effective marketing. It is the right thing to do. For the people.

    Why support anything that doesn't have a chance as a snowball in hell of passing? The Bernie supporters need to take off the rose colored glasses and come to grips with reality.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    The reality is that BernieCare will not only divide the Democrats, it is virtually guaranteed to give Republicans a big win in 2020, just like ObamaCare did in 2010. That will mean another 10 years of gerrymandered districts and Republican rule...either Trump or Pence fro president.

    Is it worth it? Even Sanders says it has little chance of passing this Congress or the next Congress. When a variation of BernieCare was pushed onto the ballot in Colorado in November 2016, Coloradoans did their homework and said "no no no no". It was defeated by a 70 point margin. Only the Bernie progressives supported it.

    The 157 million Americans with health care through their employers are not going to vote to trade away their healthcare for a government monopoly on their heath care needs. Sure the 28.5 million without insurance will always support it. But they don't have the numbers to support it.

    I deal with reality...not the feel good stuff that has no chance of becoming law.

    What reality do you choose to deal with? When I came on this sight I said that Trump will be a force to deal with and that Hillary will not win the election. Times are changing. Socialist does not carry the stigma that the right has given to it. People are getting to understand that social is a good word. It is time to extend the Great America to the lower classes.
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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Bernie Sanders’s Medicare-for-all plan is only a start. But it’s the right start.

    The discussion will have to deal with how many people are you wiling to let die and suffer under the current system. The Republicans will have a hard time countering an argument based on human rights.

    Hillary said single payer is an eventuality.

    Schmidt, Revive the party of the working people and become a victim to his one-sided but very effective marketing. It is the right thing to do. For the people.

    Why support anything that doesn't have a chance as a snowball in hell of passing? The Bernie supporters need to take off the rose colored glasses and come to grips with reality.
    Why support anything that doesn't have a chance as a snowball in hell of passing? Because it represents the end of earlier death and suffering for millions of people. We go to war for oil and trade why not start fighting for the USA citizens.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Bernie Sanders’s Medicare-for-all plan is only a start. But it’s the right start.

    The discussion will have to deal with how many people are you wiling to let die and suffer under the current system. The Republicans will have a hard time countering an argument based on human rights.

    Hillary said single payer is an eventuality.

    Schmidt, Revive the party of the working people and become a victim to his one-sided but very effective marketing. It is the right thing to do. For the people.

    Why support anything that doesn't have a chance as a snowball in hell of passing? The Bernie supporters need to take off the rose colored glasses and come to grips with reality.
    Why support anything that doesn't have a chance as a snowball in hell of passing? Because it represents the end of earlier death and suffering for millions of people. We go to war for oil and trade why not start fighting for the USA citizens.

    That's an attitude that Sanders and his supporters take, it's the wrong way to try to get things done because most legislators don't hold up funding bills to get passage of a healthcare bill that doesn't have enough support by them, especially since the proposers of a single payer bill don't know the cost associated with the bill.

    They're not going to withhold a defense budget of $57 billion to fund something else. Keep in mind that not all Americans want healthcare by government shoved down their throats, that's why some lawmakers and Trump want to dump Obamacare, don't you understand that yet?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Repealing the CFMA would be a big step in prosperity for the USA and making a lot of programs affordable through increased revenue from more people working at higher paying jobs. Other countries do it. The only problem is fighting right wing opposition.
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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Bernie Sanders’s Medicare-for-all plan is only a start. But it’s the right start.

    The discussion will have to deal with how many people are you wiling to let die and suffer under the current system. The Republicans will have a hard time countering an argument based on human rights.

    Hillary said single payer is an eventuality.

    Schmidt, Revive the party of the working people and become a victim to his one-sided but very effective marketing. It is the right thing to do. For the people.

    Why support anything that doesn't have a chance as a snowball in hell of passing? The Bernie supporters need to take off the rose colored glasses and come to grips with reality.
    Why support anything that doesn't have a chance as a snowball in hell of passing? Because it represents the end of earlier death and suffering for millions of people. We go to war for oil and trade why not start fighting for the USA citizens.
    That's an attitude that Sanders and his supporters take, it's the wrong way to try to get things done because most legislators don't hold up funding bills to get passage of a healthcare bill that doesn't have enough support by them. They're not going to withhold a defense budget of $57 billion to fund something else. Keep in mind that not all Americans want healthcare by government shoved down their throats, that's why some lawmakers and Trump want to dump Obamacare, don't you understand that yet?

    The very fact that Trump couldn't do anything on health care is that Republicans don't want to face being exposed to cutting health care in order to cut taxes.

    "that's why some lawmakers and Trump want to dump Obamacare, don't you understand that yet?" And they didn't do it. The Republican Politicians don't want to face cutting health care to millions of people. That is more death and suffering.

  • Strongly Liberal
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    Bernie has fired the first shot over the bow of the insurance industry who are holding our healthcare system hostage . They are using Americans as slaves to their corporate power structure. They make rules that are laws by forcing Americans to follow in order to see a doctor or get medicine. You cannot see a doctor by simply making an appointment.. That is against the rules. You cannot talk to a doctor about your health and the doctor may not advise you accordingly. The doctor can only prescribe a pharmasuitical drug . That is all. If the doctor advises you to lose weight , you can sue that doctor and he can lose his license . So he just prescribes a drug ,good luck .

    Our health care system is shit. You speak of 150 million Americans who have insurance through their employer. Those people are sick of paying 5000 dollar deductable they are sick of paying tax fines when their company changes insurers to save money their insurance is shit .

    Imagine if their company did not have to spend a million dollars on health insurance that is shit .

    Imagine everyone in the same pool. Imagine we all pay , single payer , at a rate according to your income.

    Imagine Americans don't have this albatross of corporate shit healthcare scam to deal with.

    Americans would start up a million new businesses overnight the economy would boom. That is capitalism.what we have now is not capitalism. It's corporatism. It's shit. It's a shit sandwich .

    You can be sure that these evil corporations will fight tooth and nail and you can bet the propaganda will be nonstop. You will see a million assholes in the street telling us how much they love corporate healthcare. You will see so much lies and ignorance you will want to scream.

    You are wrong if you think Americans are at all satisfied with this crap system and you are lying when you start tossing around the word free stuff.

    It's not free stuff. It's health care. Free stuff is a corporate bullshit slogan used to deny us our human rights. Most free stuff goes to the corporations.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I couldn't help but notice that this plan offers everything but the kitchen sink and yet doesn't come close to explaining how it would be paid for. How will we provide top notch primary, emergency, and specialty care without having any copay whatsoever? How will we provide top notch dental and vision care without having any copay whatsoever?

    You know how? By dramatically increasing taxes to a rate that even the most far left American would revolt at.

    We have a shortage of doctors in this country. How will this plan tackle that problem while simultaneously adding tens of millions of people to their rolls?

    None of this "plan" makes sense. I like the idea of Medicare for all, but Medicare patients still have a damn monthly premium and copay's after certain triggers set in. This "plan" promises everything with zero premium or copay. What a deal!

    Look - we need to figure out ways to expand coverage and make it more affordable, especially for middle and lower income individuals, but this plan is a friggin pipe dream that has absolutely zero chance of ever becoming law.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    The reality is that BernieCare will not only divide the Democrats, it is virtually guaranteed to give Republicans a big win in 2020, just like ObamaCare did in 2010. That will mean another 10 years of gerrymandered districts and Republican rule...either Trump or Pence fro president.

    Is it worth it? Even Sanders says it has little chance of passing this Congress or the next Congress. When a variation of BernieCare was pushed onto the ballot in Colorado in November 2016, Coloradoans did their homework and said "no no no no". It was defeated by a 70 point margin. Only the Bernie progressives supported it.

    The 157 million Americans with health care through their employers are not going to vote to trade away their healthcare for a government monopoly on their heath care needs. Sure the 28.5 million without insurance will always support it. But they don't have the numbers to support it.

    I deal with reality...not the feel good stuff that has no chance of becoming law.

    Dealing with reality isn't fun though Schmidt! Why not just convince ourselves that we can have everything we ever want for free? Isn't that more fun than thinking rationally?!

    This what I was trying to point out in another thread that, as usually, got woefully off topic.

    The vast majority of Americans oppose single-payer. It's true that a slim majority want a combination of single-payer and something else, but that "something else" isn't defined.

    I'll never forget the "keep your government hands off my Medicare" lady. And that was about a bill that had nothing to do with Medicare. Imagine what the right-wing propaganda machine would look like if this proposal actually began having hearings and came up for a vote?

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Bernie Sanders’s Medicare-for-all plan is only a start. But it’s the right start.

    The discussion will have to deal with how many people are you wiling to let die and suffer under the current system. The Republicans will have a hard time countering an argument based on human rights.

    Hillary said single payer is an eventuality.

    Schmidt, Revive the party of the working people and become a victim to his one-sided but very effective marketing. It is the right thing to do. For the people.

    Why support anything that doesn't have a chance as a snowball in hell of passing? The Bernie supporters need to take off the rose colored glasses and come to grips with reality.
    Why support anything that doesn't have a chance as a snowball in hell of passing? Because it represents the end of earlier death and suffering for millions of people. We go to war for oil and trade why not start fighting for the USA citizens.
    That's an attitude that Sanders and his supporters take, it's the wrong way to try to get things done because most legislators don't hold up funding bills to get passage of a healthcare bill that doesn't have enough support by them. They're not going to withhold a defense budget of $57 billion to fund something else. Keep in mind that not all Americans want healthcare by government shoved down their throats, that's why some lawmakers and Trump want to dump Obamacare, don't you understand that yet?

    The very fact that Trump couldn't do anything on health care is that Republicans don't want to face being exposed to cutting health care in order to cut taxes.

    "that's why some lawmakers and Trump want to dump Obamacare, don't you understand that yet?" And they didn't do it. The Republican Politicians don't want to face cutting health care to millions of people. That is more death and suffering.

    dear Chet, you're talking about two different animals here. Trump want's to dump-repeal Obamacare, and the republicans can't or couldn't resist the opportunity to try to scale back Medicare & Medicaid, and Obamacare along the way. May I remind you that people in some states are under the expanded Medicaid part of the ACA.

    ncsl.org/research/health/affordable-car...

    The riech wing doesn't want to give Americans anything, I hope you understand that. They cannot take away Medicare because of their constituents grumbling about it when they (legislators) returned home and were met with a barrage of angry voters. With this being fact, how ever can a person like Sanders and democrats muster enough support for expansion of Medicare knowing that reich wing (repugs) will go against it, and may I remind you sir, they have the majority in the house and senate.

    Democrats should be kissing McCain's ass for his thumbs down for the republican version of healthcare. McCain knew it was in the best interests for republicans and their constituents as well to do so. Maybe McCain considered how many Americans would lose their coverage and gave his thumbs down. Did you notice how Trump called out McCain and Flake during his Arizona campaign rally?