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Opioid war?

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  • Chet Ruminski
    2017-09-02 07:04:42 AM
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    I wonder if $4000 a month for vs $30 a month for Arthritis pain medication has anything to do with the war on opioids. I keep hearing these commercials about Xeljanyz having these bothersome side effects. So I looked into it and came across the almost $4000/month cost for Xeljanyz. Are the cheap opioid prices driving pain relief druggist crazy? Forcing them to look for government help. No war on drugs has ever worked so why this?
  • Dockadams
    2017-09-02 12:27:31 PM
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    Trump says we got a Mexican drug problem, that's the purpose of the great wall. Problem is, where are these folks getting all these opioids? I have an idea, from a pharmaceutical giant, a supplier.

    "The problem is that as opioid prescribing rose across the country, prescription opioids became the recreational drug of choice. "Pill mills" like the Sav-Rite Pharmacy in Kermit, West Virginia — which reportedly doled out 3.2 million dosage units of hydrocodone in 2006, according to Salon — thrived in the state, dispensing the drugs to anyone savvy enough to complain of pain to a doctor"

    businessinsider.com/why-the-opioid-epid...

    "An investigation by the Charleston Gazette-Mail found drug wholesalers shipped 780 million hydrocodone and oxycodone pills to West Virginia in six years. The Gazette-Mail says McDowell County, population 28,000, received 9 million hydrocodone pills, and 3.2 million oxycodone tablets over six years, according to U.S. Drug Enforcement Records."

    pbs.org/newshour/rundown/another-west-v...

  • johnnycee
    2017-09-02 01:07:53 PM
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    There will be no lessening of the Opioid crisis without bringing major pressure on the Pharma. Industry, while also having these same Pharma. Co. either subsidizing or paying in full the cost of rehab for those addicted to their MFG. drugs.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2017-09-02 01:48:18 PM
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    Note to Trump and Sessions: Instead of wasting money on people who don't care if they live or die, spend it on people who want to live. Health care. You don't care about the druggies, You call them losers. What's going on with that money? Who's pocket are you lying for? Its obvious who you won't help.
  • jaredsxtn
    2017-09-02 03:17:14 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I wonder if $4000 a month for vs $30 a month for Arthritis pain medication has anything to do with the war on opioids. I keep hearing these commercials about Xeljanyz having these bothersome side effects. So I looked into it and came across the almost $4000/month cost for Xeljanyz. Are the cheap opioid prices driving pain relief druggist crazy? Forcing them to look for government help. No war on drugs has ever worked so why this?

    I'm confused here. What does a non-opioid based pain medication for arthritis have to do with the opioid epidemic?

    The opioid epidemic is most certainly the fault of Big Pharma generally and Purdue Pharma specifically. They created Oxycontin in the early 1990's and spent billions of dollars lobbying doctors around the country to prescribe it for pretty much any chronic pain ailment. The doctors then began prescribing this opioid at astronomical rates, which then created an entire generation of addicts. Doctors and the government finally woke up and began dramatically limiting the number of prescriptions for opioids, but they had already opened a Pandora's box that they could no longer contain.

    Millions of Americans were suddenly without a valid prescription for their pain (either actual or mental) and so they turned to the black market to get help. The vicious cycle will never end until we have a more compassionate way of working with drug addicts and move away from a criminal mindset and towards a mental health mindset.

    I also can't help but notice how we as a country talk about the opioid crisis versus the crack-cocaine crisis. It's sad how we saw no problem locking up hundreds of thousands of addicts who smoked a rock, but now somehow see the light and want to "help" those addicted to heroin and fentanyl.

    Can it possible be because those who smoked a rock had a different skin color than those who are addicted to heroin?

  • jaredsxtn
    2017-09-02 03:20:34 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Note to Trump and Sessions: Instead of wasting money on people who don't care if they live or die, spend it on people who want to live. Health care. You don't care about the druggies, You call them losers. What's going on with that money? Who's pocket are you lying for? Its obvious who you won't help.

    This is one of the most mean spirited statements I have ever read.

    People who are addicted to drugs aren't addicted because they don't care whether they live or die; they are addicted because the chemicals that make up the drug they are addicted to make it extremely hard to function without them.

    We have to move away from this "let them all die" mindset when it comes to working with drug addicts and instead transition to a compassionate mindset where we treat these individuals like human beings who are sick.

  • Dockadams
    2017-09-02 04:10:47 PM
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    Yes, according to over the air television commercials, like passages Malibu, addiction IS a disease. If someone applies for social security disability benefits, addiction is one pigeon hole that an attorney will fill when their client applies for SS. People don't become addicted to drugs because they want to Chet, check out the link to the PBS story I posted, it will give you and other people a greater idea how the problems began.

    pbs.org/newshour/rundown/another-west-v...

    There are other documentaries which cover the subject of addiction, all you have to do is either get into PBS programming or do a simple web search to learn more.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2017-09-03 12:19:00 AM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Note to Trump and Sessions: Instead of wasting money on people who don't care if they live or die, spend it on people who want to live. Health care. You don't care about the druggies, You call them losers. What's going on with that money? Who's pocket are you lying for? Its obvious who you won't help.

    This is one of the most mean spirited statements I have ever read.

    People who are addicted to drugs aren't addicted because they don't care whether they live or die; they are addicted because the chemicals that make up the drug they are addicted to make it extremely hard to function without them.

    We have to move away from this "let them all die" mindset when it comes to working with drug addicts and instead transition to a compassionate mindset where we treat these individuals like human beings who are sick.

    And this is one of the dumbest responses I have ever seen. My post was a note to Trump and Sessions. It was a sarcastic contradiction to their policy toward poor people and health care which is "let them all die . Every post I have made regarding drugs and alcohol and people here and everywhere is that people can't help themselves. My reason for bringing up Xeljanyz is that big money is behind all that is bad using insurance to get their huge profits. Almost just like the initial government insured student loans started skyrocketing the cost of college education without a proportionate increase in the value or quality of the education. And looking again at "mean spirited" and " let them them all die". Isn't that what we have in health care today with people that can't get insurance or have insurance and use it. Millions of people are getting deprived and that means suffering and dying.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2017-09-04 02:28:49 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Note to Trump and Sessions: Instead of wasting money on people who don't care if they live or die, spend it on people who want to live. Health care. You don't care about the druggies, You call them losers. What's going on with that money? Who's pocket are you lying for? Its obvious who you won't help.

    This is one of the most mean spirited statements I have ever read.

    People who are addicted to drugs aren't addicted because they don't care whether they live or die; they are addicted because the chemicals that make up the drug they are addicted to make it extremely hard to function without them.

    We have to move away from this "let them all die" mindset when it comes to working with drug addicts and instead transition to a compassionate mindset where we treat these individuals like human beings who are sick.

    And this is one of the dumbest responses I have ever seen. My post was a note to Trump and Sessions. It was a sarcastic contradiction to their policy toward poor people and health care which is "let them all die . Every post I have made regarding drugs and alcohol and people here and everywhere is that people can't help themselves. My reason for bringing up Xeljanyz is that big money is behind all that is bad using insurance to get their huge profits. Almost just like the initial government insured student loans started skyrocketing the cost of college education without a proportionate increase in the value or quality of the education. And looking again at "mean spirited" and " let them them all die". Isn't that what we have in health care today with people that can't get insurance or have insurance and use it. Millions of people are getting deprived and that means suffering and dying.

    In spirit I am deleting my above response to jaredsxtn. I have never said anything even remotely perceived as not caring for anybody with a problem. My response was generated out of forum rage.
  • TJ
    2017-09-04 02:41:21 PM
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    Chet, We all have ideas and hopes. Sometimes ours doesn't match another's. Who cares ? I don't always agree with you but I encourage your involvement. Some (you know who you are) are combative and rude. We can disagree all day every day without it becoming personal.
  • lonely bird
    2017-09-04 09:58:30 PM
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    Opioids crisis? Solve the other crisis first. The election of the idiot known as Trump is a direct symptom of the other crisis. It most certainly is the economy, stupid. But there is no one on the right and not enough on the left willing to solve it.

    when the revolution occurs sometime in the distant future or the world turns to communitarian response in response to crisis (war is not arbitrarily crisis) the end result will be reining in profit without production and radical wealth disparity.

    we won't see it.

  • TJ
    2018-01-26 04:53:51 PM
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    I just watched something on Facebook but got called away. I hope to go back and find it. I will copy the link if found. The point was - there was a crack problem in the past and criminal action was taken. Large numbers were sent to prison. Children sent into foster care. Lives were torn apart. Because there's a difference in the demographic.... treatment at rehabilitation centers is being suggested for many caught up in the Opiod crisis.

  • wwjd
    2018-01-27 12:30:25 AM
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    TJ Wrote:

    I just watched something on Facebook but got called away. I hope to go back and find it. I will copy the link if found. The point was - there was a crack problem in the past and criminal action was taken. Large numbers were sent to prison. Children sent into foster care. Lives were torn apart. Because there's a difference in the demographic.... treatment at rehabilitation centers is being suggested for many caught up in the Opiod crisis.

    Post the like if you can track it down.

    HBO has several good documentaries in drug abuse and a couple of focus strictly on Opioids addiction. Raised my awareness significantly and made me much more reluctant to take painkiller medication (ie kidney stone). In one of documentary, they profile normal middle people with no history of drug\alcohol problems that suffer from some kind injury where the doctor provides them pain medication and within a year they are using heroin.

    One guy explained it that without his daily fix EVERYTHING is painful. Can't brush his teeth without feeling unbearable pain, which is what drives them to lie and steal from anyone and everyone. Steal from work, steal from family, steal from stores, force their children do unspeakable shit for money, etc... We think we would never do anything like that, but most of us have never experienced the that level of pain (akin to severe torture), so we really don't truly know how we would handle it.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-01-27 10:23:49 AM
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    The obvious is overlooked when money and psychosis are the operational forces. When I was a kid my dentist was talking about cavities and told me most cavities are on the outside contact with the inner cheek lip. He said minimum residual saliva is slightly acid but increasing the flow rate raises ph to neutral and then alkaline. The tongue moves the saliva so the teeth in contact with the tongue will get washed and washed with increasing ph saliva. Neutral and then alkaline saliva are a hostile environment for the bacteria. Increasing the flow of saliva also increases the ph. Chewing demands more saliva and chewing the right kinds of material produces bonus ph. Bottom line is chewing sugar free gum and gum containing xylitol creates a very safe anti bacteria anti acid condition in the mouth. Avoiding sugary and sugary slurpy foods while constantly chewing sugar free gums would be a significant cavity reducer. There is no dental health information or advice proclaiming that information. I almost always have litmus strips nearby and have tested or instructed people to test themselves. Everybody has different ph levels and those that test neutral or alkaline have significant no or low cavity histories. Those that tested above ph7 have been cavity free. I suggest my friends test everybody in their families and consider options for low phs. I think no official information about ph and maintaing higher ph is influenced by the prospect of significantly reducing cavities. I think similar forces are behind the opioid war. There is multiple years of evidence supporting there is no stopping people addicted to drugs. So they are willing to disrupt the lives of millions of people who get cheap opioid relief from chronic pain. The official positions is pain temporary.

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