Michael Moore is a problem for Democratic Party
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I've read the article twice and I am not able to decipher the author's underlining criticism\point. Seemed to be partly a review of Moore's political one man stage show. I understand the Moore supported Nader over Gore, and Nader cost Gore Florida, and so went the 2000 election. IMHO, just like with any competition, need to plan to win with a score larger than the margin of error, otherwise sometimes the better man\team does not win because they did not push up the score far enough so that errors do not determine the outcome. Is the point of the article suggesting that Moore is a bit like trump, and that he undermines political races by being democratic pundit who is too critical of democrats for not being (in a way) more like trump; a person who tell voters what they want to hear even though its total BS?
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wwjd Wrote:I've read the article twice and I am not able to decipher the author's underlining criticism\point. Seemed to be partly a review of Moore's political one man stage show. I understand the Moore supported Nader over Gore, and Nader cost Gore Florida, and so went the 2000 election. IMHO, just like with any competition, need to plan to win with a score larger than the margin of error, otherwise sometimes the better man\team does not win because they did not push up the score far enough so that errors do not determine the outcome. Is the point of the article suggesting that Moore is a bit like trump, and that he undermines political races by being democratic pundit who is too critical of democrats for not being (in a way) more like trump; a person who tell voters what they want to hear even though its total BS? Just like wwjd says the article is kind of strange; the only thing stands out is that the political system here is flawed all the way.
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Schmidt Wrote:The main point of the article is that progressives like Michael Moore trash the "establishment" candidates building up hate for them and then blame them for losing to Republicans. Michael Moore shares responsibility for Al Gore's loss to Bush, and Bernie Sanders shares responsibility for Clinton's loss to Trump. But neither accept that responsibility. It is by their actions of ginning up hate for the "establishment" that they split away a chunk of progressives to vote against a mainstream Democrat simply because they don't pass their f**king purity tests. Oh and both Michael Moore and Bernie Sanders are always looking for microphones to give their "stump speeches". They are both "carnival barkers" of sorts. I get tired of seeing their faces on TV. I don't believe Sanders or Moore are democrats. JMO. Both are anti-establishment, which isn't all bad, it's just that both take that line a little too far. I liked John Kerry (Heinz person-wealthy) as a possible D president, but his Vietnam boat got torpedoed. Presently, we're going the wrong way. 
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Schmidt Wrote:The main point of the article is that progressives like Michael Moore trash the "establishment" candidates building up hate for them and then blame them for losing to Republicans. Michael Moore shares responsibility for Al Gore's loss to Bush, and Bernie Sanders shares responsibility for Clinton's loss to Trump. But neither accept that responsibility. It is by their actions of ginning up hate for the "establishment" that they split away a chunk of progressives to vote against a mainstream Democrat simply because they don't pass their f**king purity tests. Oh and both Michael Moore and Bernie Sanders are always looking for microphones to give their "stump speeches". They are both "carnival barkers" of sorts. I get tired of seeing their faces on TV. Schmidt; sorry I did work in Washington; it was quickly clear to me that both the Dem's and GOP were an insider only "club" which was protected from the "outside" which made them super arrogant like Gingrich and the Clinton's. Then it is no wonder that certain people "bark" as you say. This "club" could only be penetrated by well "liked" lobbyists. Just look at all the mails I wrote about the corruption here in the government, also promoted by a zillion lawyers and "no laws" for the upper class. Other problems are are as well "term limits" especially for the Supreme Court and an not updated Constitution to reflect living in 2017. Moore and Sanders are an reflection of a meager response to all of this. The reason for getting an Trump is as I described many times due to our voting system and non vetting laws. Washington is broken. Thus it should be clear to you that neither Sanders or Moore are guilty to get Trump. It was our "voting system" and "non-laws" for electing Presidents.
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Michael and Bernie... hmm. Mitigating circumstances at best. Our problems are within our party. Michael and Bernie were always looking for a camera... Perez is never ever looking for a camera. Cameras paint a picture and work towards getting a message out. Republicans have used cameras, television, internet, and print media to tell and spread their story far and wide. If you want the DNC position "Just go to their website" that's the typical response. Not all have smart phones, tablets, laptops and/or internet service. Poor people. How did that play out in November ? The issue is we are dysfunctional and only try hard when soliciting donations. The real problems are at our feet but they won't be addressed. Lose repeatedly but be nice, polite, kind, and gentle towards the opposition. Feel intellectually superior the whole time. It is supposed to be about leading people. We have the regain CONTROL to be able to lead. We can bitch about the neighbors stinking dog but under that window are our own very dirty dishes. Don't be pompous and self assured because we are at a massive deficit in communications and that does and will continue to lead to more lost elections. They should gut this party and rebuild from the foundation up. Those who don't see it are merely in denial.
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TJ Wrote:Michael and Bernie... hmm. Mitigating circumstances at best. Our problems are within our party. Michael and Bernie were always looking for a camera... Perez is never ever looking for a camera. Cameras paint a picture and work towards getting a message out. Republicans have used cameras, television, internet, and print media to tell and spread their story far and wide. If you want the DNC position "Just go to their website" that's the typical response. Not all have smart phones, tablets, laptops and/or internet service. Poor people. How did that play out in November ? The issue is we are dysfunctional and only try hard when soliciting donations. The real problems are at our feet but they won't be addressed. Lose repeatedly but be nice, polite, kind, and gentle towards the opposition. Feel intellectually superior the whole time. It is supposed to be about leading people. We have the regain CONTROL to be able to lead. We can bitch about the neighbors stinking dog but under that window are our own very dirty dishes. Don't be pompous and self assured because we are at a massive deficit in communications and that does and will continue to lead to more lost elections. They should gut this party and rebuild from the foundation up. Those who don't see it are merely in denial. T.J. 100% correct; my feeling exactly. Reach out to the people; not the other way around.
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Dutch Wrote:TJ Wrote:Michael and Bernie... hmm. Mitigating circumstances at best. Our problems are within our party. Michael and Bernie were always looking for a camera... Perez is never ever looking for a camera. Cameras paint a picture and work towards getting a message out. Republicans have used cameras, television, internet, and print media to tell and spread their story far and wide. If you want the DNC position "Just go to their website" that's the typical response. Not all have smart phones, tablets, laptops and/or internet service. Poor people. How did that play out in November ? The issue is we are dysfunctional and only try hard when soliciting donations. The real problems are at our feet but they won't be addressed. Lose repeatedly but be nice, polite, kind, and gentle towards the opposition. Feel intellectually superior the whole time. It is supposed to be about leading people. We have the regain CONTROL to be able to lead. We can bitch about the neighbors stinking dog but under that window are our own very dirty dishes. Don't be pompous and self assured because we are at a massive deficit in communications and that does and will continue to lead to more lost elections. They should gut this party and rebuild from the foundation up. Those who don't see it are merely in denial. T.J. 100% correct; my feeling exactly. Reach out to the people; not the other way around. The current Democratic establishment is more interested in $$$$ than the constituency. I think they are being quiet so at the last minute they can drop Hillary on us as the last and only "hope". And the real hope is getting another 1.2 billion dollars to play with. Seems super strange to me that no stories have emerged about the accounting of the 1.2 billion dollars or about and misuse of the 1.2 billion dollars.
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