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    I may be liberal but I can't stand what he is doing. When I was a young lad I was told to always respect the flag and those who lost their lives for her. I was told to remove my cap n stand at attention n not utter a word to honor those who gave everything for our nation.

    All gave some, some gave all.

  • Strongly Liberal
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    We all respect the lives lost in wars. That is why we have memorial day. The undying love of nationalism and saluting a flag has nothing to do with the world wars the illegal wars and the accidental deaths that occur all the time in out military. We must remember , that the deaths caused by illegal immoral wars such as we see today and with Vietnam should not be honored so much as remembered as the mistakes they were.

    Nationalism is a sickness. America is just a country no better or worse that any other so called free society. And in order to keep it that way we must be vigilant and we must be critical we must refuse to tolerate political wars.

    In America, the police now kill over 1000 innocent people every year. We imprison thousands more. And it is obscene. If you get offended easily you should be offended by that.

    I love that athletes take a knee for the national anthem. Peaceful protest is our right it's the first amendment. . I hope that offends you too.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Kenosha, WI
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    Feel the Burn Wrote:

    I may be liberal but I can't stand what he is doing. When I was a young lad I was told to always respect the flag and those who lost their lives for her. I was told to remove my cap n stand at attention n not utter a word to honor those who gave everything for our nation.

    All gave some, some gave all.

    I believe he has done that taking the knee because of racial discrimination which is doing well in Amerika right now, it has recently reared it's ugly little head across the nation. We have white supremacists, white nationalists, the KKK and other hard right wing nutjobs trying to turn back the hands of time, Amerika is going in the wrong direction, again.

    I can't say as I can blame him for his attitude and beliefs, racism didn't end when civil rights laws were enacted to rid Amerika of this racial scourge. In 200+ years, Amerika has not been the country where all men are created equal.

    A little bit about my background, I am a veteran of the armed forces, and during that time, I attended quite a few funeral processions and was an honor guard member. I made many salutes to the deceased and their family members. During honor guard and color guard processions, members salute the United States flag whenever taps was blown. It was and is a way to show respect. While I'm sympathetic to Kapernick's cause, I feel he maybe should not bring his statement to public or sporting venues, however, he can use other venues such as protesting with anti white nationalist gatherings, OWS, and other places to draw attention to Amerika's problems with race.

    youtube.com/watch?v=qpAIipN9EBU

    Did you know? When the US flag is finally folded by the guard into the triangular shape, only white stars and blue background are visible?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    He has every right in the world to take a knee during the National Anthem and I fully support him doing so.

    White people don't know what it's like to be a black man in America and they have no right to criticize someone for protesting the rampant inequalities facing our minority communities, especially when it comes to use of force by the police.

    Take a deep breath. He's not hurting you or anyone else in any way whatsoever by silently taking a knee. All he's doing is lobbying a silent protest in an attempt to point out the hypocrisy of so many Americans when it comes to blindly saluting the flag but ignoring the horrendous inequalities so many black and brown Americans deal with every single day.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    He has every right in the world to take a knee during the National Anthem and I fully support him doing so.

    White people don't know what it's like to be a black man in America and they have no right to criticize someone for protesting the rampant inequalities facing our minority communities, especially when it comes to use of force by the police.

    Take a deep breath. He's not hurting you or anyone else in any way whatsoever by silently taking a knee. All he's doing is lobbying a silent protest in an attempt to point out the hypocrisy of so many Americans when it comes to blindly saluting the flag but ignoring the horrendous inequalities so many black and brown Americans deal with every single day.

    Yes Jared I fully agree. Blindly saluting an piece of cloth is meaningless; ask Hitler.
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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Feel the Burn Wrote:

    I may be liberal but I can't stand what he is doing. When I was a young lad I was told to always respect the flag and those who lost their lives for her. I was told to remove my cap n stand at attention n not utter a word to honor those who gave everything for our nation.

    All gave some, some gave all.

    I believe he has done that taking the knee because of racial discrimination which is doing well in Amerika right now, it has recently reared it's ugly little head across the nation. We have white supremacists, white nationalists, the KKK and other hard right wing nutjobs trying to turn back the hands of time, Amerika is going in the wrong direction, again.

    I can't say as I can blame him for his attitude and beliefs, racism didn't end when civil rights laws were enacted to rid Amerika of this racial scourge. In 200+ years, Amerika has not been the country where all men are created equal.

    A little bit about my background, I am a veteran of the armed forces, and during that time, I attended quite a few funeral processions and was an honor guard member. I made many salutes to the deceased and their family members. During honor guard and color guard processions, members salute the United States flag whenever taps was blown. It was and is a way to show respect. While I'm sympathetic to Kapernick's cause, I feel he maybe should not bring his statement to public or sporting venues, however, he can use other venues such as protesting with anti white nationalist gatherings, OWS, and other places to draw attention to Amerika's problems with race.

    youtube.com/watch?v=qpAIipN9EBU

    Did you know? When the US flag is finally folded by the guard into the triangular shape, only white stars and blue background are visible?

    Thank you for your service.

    I have to ask, is there a reason you spell America the way you do?

  • Center Left
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    Feelth.,

    You were just wrong on this post. Kapernick is entirely correct and he is courageous for taking an important stand. 99% of 'muricans hate him but the truth is most of them are morons.

    If you don't believe there's great inequality and injustice based on race.... then you have been living under a rock.

    Kapernick didn't just say the right things. He quietly and peacefully made a statement. Some just won't allow some to have different opinions or complain. He has donated large amounts of money to support these things. Currently no team has signed this man to play football because hating targeted persons is fashionable these days. (Again: morons)

    Don't let others tell you what's popular to think or believe. Try it for yourself.

    I too have great respect for those who served but they served to protect our country and people. 12 ounces of cloth is not America. It's a symbol. A flag. A decorative piece. That's all.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Feel the Burn Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:
    Feel the Burn Wrote:

    I may be liberal but I can't stand what he is doing. When I was a young lad I was told to always respect the flag and those who lost their lives for her. I was told to remove my cap n stand at attention n not utter a word to honor those who gave everything for our nation.

    All gave some, some gave all.

    I believe he has done that taking the knee because of racial discrimination which is doing well in Amerika right now, it has recently reared it's ugly little head across the nation. We have white supremacists, white nationalists, the KKK and other hard right wing nutjobs trying to turn back the hands of time, Amerika is going in the wrong direction, again.

    I can't say as I can blame him for his attitude and beliefs, racism didn't end when civil rights laws were enacted to rid Amerika of this racial scourge. In 200+ years, Amerika has not been the country where all men are created equal.

    A little bit about my background, I am a veteran of the armed forces, and during that time, I attended quite a few funeral processions and was an honor guard member. I made many salutes to the deceased and their family members. During honor guard and color guard processions, members salute the United States flag whenever taps was blown. It was and is a way to show respect. While I'm sympathetic to Kapernick's cause, I feel he maybe should not bring his statement to public or sporting venues, however, he can use other venues such as protesting with anti white nationalist gatherings, OWS, and other places to draw attention to Amerika's problems with race.

    youtube.com/watch?v=qpAIipN9EBU

    Did you know? When the US flag is finally folded by the guard into the triangular shape, only white stars and blue background are visible?

    Thank you for your service.

    I have to ask, is there a reason you spell America the way you do?

    Yes. the "k" is typically used as social, economic and/or political criticism. The "k" is used to describe America in the worst ways: As an imperialistic and corrupt nation; as a nation controlled by the rich and powerful few at the expense of all others; as a place that offers rights only to the "white elite."
    As a feel the bern person, you might understand the meaning of the rich and powerful few at the expense of others, it was a part of Bernie's platform.

    If I were Kapernick, I would have played their game for a couple or a few seasons more, banked money to start a movement at a later point in time by using the media to get his message out to the general public, and he might have gone into politics, which he still could, he would probably make a good governor or a good congressional representative. I think most people, white ones anyway, don't understand or get the message he is or was trying to get across or send. I might say, wrong place, wrong time. There's a time and place for nearly everything, timing is almost critical.

  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote:

    Feelth.,

    You were just wrong on this post. Kapernick is entirely correct and he is courageous for taking an important stand. 99% of 'muricans hate him but the truth is most of them are morons.

    If you don't believe there's great inequality and injustice based on race.... then you have been living under a rock.

    Kapernick didn't just say the right things. He quietly and peacefully made a statement. Some just won't allow some to have different opinions or complain. He has donated large amounts of money to support these things. Currently no team has signed this man to play football because hating targeted persons is fashionable these days. (Again: morons)

    Don't let others tell you what's popular to think or believe. Try it for yourself.

    I too have great respect for those who served but they served to protect our country and people. 12 ounces of cloth is not America. It's a symbol. A flag. A decorative piece. That's all.

    I'll second that; I fully agree T.J.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    He has every right in the world to take a knee during the National Anthem and I fully support him doing so.

    White people don't know what it's like to be a black man in America and they have no right to criticize someone for protesting the rampant inequalities facing our minority communities, especially when it comes to use of force by the police.

    Take a deep breath. He's not hurting you or anyone else in any way whatsoever by silently taking a knee. All he's doing is lobbying a silent protest in an attempt to point out the hypocrisy of so many Americans when it comes to blindly saluting the flag but ignoring the horrendous inequalities so many black and brown Americans deal with every single day.

    Yes Jared I fully agree. Blindly saluting an piece of cloth is meaningless; ask Hitler.
    Did Rosa parks disrespect buses? Did Ghandi disrespect food?
  • Independent
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    Video link:http://video.foxnews.com/v/5617561253001/

    Yesterday the NFL said it was an important part of their policy that players show respect during the national anthem and solute the flag before each game.

    However....

    The NFL is not making any changes that require players to stand or to behave in a specific way during the national athem

    Question: Why do you think the NFL won't go that extra step to require players to stand, solute, ban kneeing, ban raising of arm with clinched fist, etc?

    If you listen to Fox news. Their reporting is that the NFL is a death spiral headed toward total collapse based on this issue. In their reporting Millions upon millions of NFL fans are turning off their TVs in protest.... If Fox news reporting\perception is true, why wouldn't the NFL make it a requirement of every NFL employee to stand and solute the flag?

  • Center Left
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    I am a lifetime fan of the National Football league. If they continue jumping through the hoops that potus points towards... I would most assuredly stop 100% if they attempt to stop the personal liberty or ability to express their views in that format. It's a historic crossroads and I believe the people are watching.
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    TJ Wrote: I am a lifetime fan of the National Football league. If they continue jumping through the hoops that potus points towards... I would most assuredly stop 100% if they attempt to stop the personal liberty or ability to express their views in that format. It's a historic crossroads and I believe the people are watching.

    What are you seeing that the NFL is doing that suggest they are jumping through hoops that he points them towards?

  • Center Left
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    They have suggested that the numbers currently protesting is down to 6 or 7 and they're wanting to reduce that. They're saying that they have respect for the: Country, Flag, Military, etc., etc.

    No mention of the addressing the killings. No mention of the compete shame that fills our for profit prisons.

    There's a dozen things that should be better. No legitimate concern because superior is a comfortable place in the minds of too many.

    The whole thing is a mess that's not being addressed and far worse, it's not being talked about.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    In Amerika, blacks are shot and killed for disrespecting a police officer, even though blacks haven't done anything wrong. The white house still doesn't get it. It probably never will. Maybe next NFL players will be removed from the field by police for disrespect. Don will get his way. African Americans need to organize and start a movement, a 5 million black person march on DC. That might change some people's ways of thinking. It might be called the 5MB march for freedom. Whites would be invited as a courtesy to join.