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    Schmidt, You're usually a voice of reason but I disagree on this one. Small children like to challenge their boundaries and it's acceptance of their (Nazi like thugs) pushing the envelope that grows into non whites being challenged on buses, in restaurants, at airports, etc.. A greater lack of social acceptance is what adults should demand.
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    Dutch Wrote:

    Trumps father was arrested in 1927 in New York during an KKK and Italian mob event; so father , so son. Amen

    Our "holy" asshole of course does not know David Duke; while his father was an member. Shaking my old head.

    I see, you must have studied up on the mobster family, I did too. I have to ask you, did you ever wonder why his ancestor changed his name from Drumf to Trump? I did.
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    Dutch :Again you allow your hatred to overcome your sanity, this country welcomes all groups as long as they follow the rules (laws), does the Antifa, and BLM, fall into that category of racism, what about congressmen calling for a separate political party based on race, what about those who advocate for a separate judicial system based on religion, should they be deemed illegal as they do want and are working towards separate and a distinct division of this nation. You see how narrow your hatred is , I will pray for you to be more open minded and allow other points of view to seep into that thick skull of yours.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    It was a situation that common sense for me would have said "stay away".

    Yeah, having a counter-protest at the same time would have been something I would never have pataticipated in. Do it the next day. This is was not peace march with a strong leader like MLK.

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    Well, trump backed downed today and did a d0-over by doing the same speech today except adding the name of the hate groups.

    The main thing I wonder about is who got to trump, and how did they do it?

    Whatever it was that got him to do the speech again, must have been pretty big. I won't be surprised if later he backs off at a future rally saying something like "Those counter-protesters aren't so innocent, they were hired by Obama and Hillary, and you can bet if they had brought guns, there would have been a few dead innocent White Nationalists! Trust me, I know what I am talking about".

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    wwjd Wrote:

    Well, trump backed downed today and did a d0-over by doing the same speech today except adding the name of the hate groups.

    The main thing I wonder about is who got to trump, and how did they do it? Whatever it was that got him to do the speech again, must have been pretty big. I won't be surprised if later he backs off at a future rally saying something like "Those counter-protesters aren't so innocent, they were hired by Obama and Hillary, and you can bet if they had brought guns, there would have been a few dead innocent White Nationalists! Trust me, I know what I am talking about".

    Most of us know by now that the white nationalists came from out of the area of Charlottesville, ironically, Trump accused whomever, that people came to his rallies were from areas not where he was speaking. Like his speaking engagement in Chicago, he claimed people came to Chicago from out of the city or state, which isn't true, there's probably a lot of Trump haters in Chicago. The man does not have the positive magnetism he thinks he has.

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    What caused him to change him mind and denounce various white nationalist groups in a second speech?

    When giving his speech, he looked like he hated saying the words in the script. Normally he refuses to back down and let the WH staff do all the clean-up with BS spin.

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    TJ Wrote: Schmidt, You're usually a voice of reason but I disagree on this one. Small children like to challenge their boundaries and it's acceptance of their (Nazi like thugs) pushing the envelope that grows into non whites being challenged on buses, in restaurants, at airports, etc.. A greater lack of social acceptance is what adults should demand.

    TJ -- There's a difference between a confrontation in a restaurant, bus or train (like in Portland). Those are happenings....not planned. People that are targeted in those situations have no choice but to use their best wits to stop an ugly situation. Sometimes it doesn't work out. The victims of the Portland train stabbings did the right thing even though it cost two of them their lives.

    The Alt-right march in Charlottesville was planned for weeks. It had all the makings of something that was destined to get ugly. The marchers came ready to fight a liberal. Many did not wear street clothes but came in military attire.

    However, what if they marched and no one was there to watch them? Would they have claimed victory? Perhaps. But what they really wanted was confrontation. A street fight. I would not have given them that opportunity. You don't confront people who are angry...a mob scene. You're not going to change their minds...never. So what's the point in provoking them?

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    I believe this is a part of the plan. The coup d etat. I believe that the people organizing this movement are working closely with the fat idiot , and Putin to cause the collapse of our government. As for general McMasters , Kelly , and Mattis, they are the only thing holding our fragile executive branch together. I have read that Kelly only took the job in the name of duty to country. I have read that these men must say no to the fat idiot several times a day in regard to bombing some other country. You understand , if they did not stay in their posts and prevent the fat idiot from launching missiles we would be in a world war right now.

    So they are now working to have these hate fests all across the country . The nasty underbelly of American hate that has been stewing for so long has been unleashed by the fat idiot and indeed the Republican party. For years the republicans used dog whistle politics to defeat Democrats , playing with the fire that is America's nasty little secret hate spot. Well now that hate has been weaponized and it is a growing movement just the same way the Nazis came to power just the way the confederates declared war upon America .

    You realize that we have allowed rush limbau and other hate preachers to occupy the armed forces radio network for thirty years ? So that our veterans have been brainwashed by. Right wing hate and now the fat idiot wants to unleash private armies all over the world , and who do you think will be the soldiers in these armies ?

    This is coup d etat.

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    Maindawg Wrote:

    I believe this is a part of the plan. The coup d etat. I believe that the people organizing this movement are working closely with the fat idiot , and Putin to cause the collapse of our government. As for general McMasters , Kelly , and Mattis, they are the only thing holding our fragile executive branch together. I have read that Kelly only took the job in the name of duty to country. I have read that these men must say no to the fat idiot several times a day in regard to bombing some other country. You understand , if they did not stay in their posts and prevent the fat idiot from launching missiles we would be in a world war right now.

    So they are now working to have these hate fests all across the country . The nasty underbelly of American hate that has been stewing for so long has been unleashed by the fat idiot and indeed the Republican party. For years the republicans used dog whistle politics to defeat Democrats , playing with the fire that is America's nasty little secret hate spot. Well now that hate has been weaponized and it is a growing movement just the same way the Nazis came to power just the way the confederates declared war upon America .

    You realize that we have allowed rush limbau and other hate preachers to occupy the armed forces radio network for thirty years ? So that our veterans have been brainwashed by. Right wing hate and now the fat idiot wants to unleash private armies all over the world , and who do you think will be the soldiers in these armies ?

    This is coup d etat.

    Main, I don't believe that the Generals have that much influence; they have learned to obey the "leader" as well Trump likely asked for "loyalty" ( That was clear when they interviewed McMaster) I think the media has more effect, as well the "world" who can observe the guy from afar via the super fast modern tools as the internet. Often the news from here is already in Europe before it comes here on TV. Like S.Korea,who told the world that no one can start an war on the Korea peninsula without their approval. As well the CEO's who resigned Trumps council. Thus the "world" is watching us and will act if needed. Trump thinks he "alone" has power; forget it.
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    nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-defends-...

    Man, trump is becoming very predictable in specific ways. I privately suspected that trump wouldn't be able to contain himself after being pressured into calling out the the racist groups by name; I figured within 24-48 hours he would revert back to his original statement blaming the victims. Something akin to "If they had stayed home the white nationalists wouldn't have anyone to harm. They were walking targets, so what did they expect was going to happen?"

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    A good speech writer put him into a better position. Today the slick greasy Conman said I am going to sell something to everyone in the room. I am blaming racism and bigots but I am totally pointing out the permit and blaming "The Alt Left" for their mean, violent, aggressive attacks. It's unbelievable that he's in charge and supremists are checking out the Autumn tour dates. Ahh, youthful enthusiasm. America is great again.
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    The commentators on MSNBC and CNN did a pretty good job of identifying what trump's behavior. Instead of trying to down playing racist violence, he up sells a false narrative that the left activists as being as bad or worse than the racists. His effort is to try to make the discussion about what the victims did, not what was done to them.

    Another way to think of it, racism is on trial, and the defense attorneys turn the tables to make the focus of trial about what the (dead) victims did to the racists.

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    TJ Wrote: A good speech writer put him into a better position. Today the slick greasy Conman said I am going to sell something to everyone in the room. I am blaming racism and bigots but I am totally pointing out the permit and blaming "The Alt Left" for their mean, violent, aggressive attacks. It's unbelievable that he's in charge and supremists are checking out the Autumn tour dates. Ahh, youthful enthusiasm. America is great again.

    There's nothing like pouring gas on the fire.