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The rise of the Antifa movement

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    SivanM Wrote:
    I heard stories about the Black Panther Party, and thought I wanted to be with them because I heard they were organizing in minority communities by providing day care for working parents, feeding children during that time and after school, and helping people fight for their civil rights
    I wasn't around for that era though wish I was, but hope to see a time when Antifa is only the front line in a movement that does much more for people than fight racists and other oppressors. For now, we must fight, as there are too many walking around with misguided conceptions of society and ignorant of their privilege, and sometimes it takes a smack to get someone's attention.
    Many of us hope to see a time: When people of color rise up the ladder, and fascists are afraid to show their faces, and capitalists are begging for handouts, and anybody tempted to run for office with an "R" after their name thinks twice about the consequences for their employment and their family's safety. Racism and privilege are NOT ok, and will not last. That is the future Antifa is fighting for now.

    But not all who align themselves with the R party are fascists, and I hope people know that, there are socially liberal republicans, and socially conservative republicans, and we shouldn't paint all republicans with one broad brush, even though I have stated before I would never vote for a republican because of what most stand for. At some time, people must realize that not all republican voters went for Trump and his ilk. Even now, Trump voters are experiencing buyer's remorse because he hasn't cracked up to be what people thought he would be.

    When we talk of antifa, we're talking about anti fascists, and that certain far left wing group of people, and not necessarily people who align or associate themselves as a democrat, they're entirely a very different animal than a mainstream democrat.

    We also need to realize that minorities have been fighting for change for a very long time, and that every once in a while, hard right ugly people rear their heads and come out of the woodwork. If we had a different individual in charge of the DOJ, other than a southern bible thumping backwoods hillbilly, that person might be wanting to monitor the activities of white supremacists, white nationalists, and the antifa people too. The person chosen by Trump to lead the DOJ in my opinion was the worst choice he could have made, but karma is a bitch, and it will eventually come back to bite both of them in the ass.

    As long as the NAACP is around, they're going to fight for peoples civil rights. And yes, you can be of any race, creed, color, national origin to be member of the NAACP. Their tent is huge!

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: He represents everything bad. How is that not a winning position? He is not an incrementalist. If he has his way there will be sweeping cuts to multiple programs compounded by matching tax cuts. Huge steps if he gets his way.

    Fighting right-wing terrorism with left-wing terrorism will inevitably turn people who may be willing to hear the Democrats out away. I am all for peaceful and even disruptive protests, but I am against violent protests.

    Violent protests by the left only gives moderate Republicans and center-right "independents" a reason to stick with the Republican Party because they will come to believe that both sides are loathsome, so they might as well stick with what they know.

    They will not bring any moderate or independent minded person into the Democrats fold and will make life a thousand times harder for intellectual liberals who are trying to convince people that national politics isn't easy and incremental positive change is a million times better than going backwards.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: He represents everything bad. How is that not a winning position? He is not an incrementalist. If he has his way there will be sweeping cuts to multiple programs compounded by matching tax cuts. Huge steps if he gets his way.

    Fighting right-wing terrorism with left-wing terrorism will inevitably turn people who may be willing to hear the Democrats out away. I am all for peaceful and even disruptive protests, but I am against violent protests.

    Violent protests by the left only gives moderate Republicans and center-right "independents" a reason to stick with the Republican Party because they will come to believe that both sides are loathsome, so they might as well stick with what they know.

    They will not bring any moderate or independent minded person into the Democrats fold and will make life a thousand times harder for intellectual liberals who are trying to convince people that national politics isn't easy and incremental positive change is a million times better than going backwards.

    There are problems now that are out of control. Too many people don't have any health care and large numbers don't have good health care. That means those people die sooner, suffer more and have no representation. Radical actions seem entirely inline with the urgency of their needs. How do you deal with people losing their lives because right wing republicans want tax cuts? Too many poor people die now because of inadequate health care. Human rights are in an abysmal condition. Trump et have no problem smiling while they die saying health care is there for the asking . Change never happens unless drastic actions point to the need.

    I don't know much about Antifa so I am not whole heartedly supporting them at this time.

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    If anyone wants to join a radical left or right group, they should start singing santa clause is coming to town except substitute santa clause with FBI, because once you join a group, you will probably be watched by them, photographed and video taped too, they'll know more about you than you do.
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    I get that direct action is not everyones cup of tea, for now. Some of us think that will change when more people understand the damage that rightwing fascists have done in controlling congress and the White House as well as the Supreme court. Naturally peaceloving people, which are most Democrats, sometimes have to get hit in the face a few times before they will hit back.

    Maybe some are concerned about law enforcement such as the FBI, but don't forget we have some pretty powerful supporters, as well. How about Barack Obama, Tim Kaine, Loretta Lynch, Robert Mueller, Terry McAuliffe, and who knows how many lifetime employees at the Department of Justice and throughout the state, local, and federal goverments?? We have organizers and activists earning thousands of dollars a month to go out and work for the people. How many teabaggers do you think are being paid to try and spread their hate? None, I would venture.

    That is why Antifa is unlike the protest movements of the past, and why Antifa is rising up.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: There are problems now that are out of control. Too many people don't have any health care and large numbers don't have good health care. That means those people die sooner, suffer more and have no representation. Radical actions seem entirely inline with the urgency of their needs.

    The Antifa is not and never has been protesting the American healthcare system. Most of the time I don't even think they know what they are protesting.

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    I am all for aggressive wide based disruptive protest. Non-violent protest but ready willing and able to not be bullied by those with opposing views. Those right wing thugs must be stood up to but violence has no place in trying to effectively change things.

    Most important is getting far more people to think open mindedly. Not living in a primetime cocoon or distractions on your smartphone.

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    TJ Wrote: I am all for aggressive wide based disruptive protest. Non-violent protest but ready willing and able to not be bullied by those with opposing views. Those right wing thugs must be stood up to but violence has no place in trying to effectively change things.

    I 100 percent agree. The Antifa and their actions will cause more harm to Democrats chances of winning over the "middle" who are repulsed by Donald's actions, but look at the Democratic Party with a wary eye. Black clad thugs whose violent behavior is no different than the Alt-Right aren't going to convince them to leave Donald and join our team.

    TJ Wrote: Most important is getting far more people to think open mindedly. Not living in a primetime cocoon or distractions on your smartphone.

    Yes, and convincing them that who they vote for actually does matter. Not just at the Federal level, but all the way down to the District Attorney, city council member, and the county sheriff.

    Americans have to become more engaged in ALL levels of government if they actually want to begin making things better in this country.

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    Since America is no longer a Republic but instead an Oligarchy the people no longer are being represented, there rights are no longer being upheld and the only hope the people have to regain their Republic and uphold their rights and values is to establish a citizens security force that is well trained, well armed and dedicated to one goal to protect American citizens from the fascist thugs that have sprouted like weeds in this country thanks to Trump and his fascist speeches and the attacks on minorities in this country have gone viral and pretending this country is still a Republic is just plain silly.