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The Afghanistan debacle

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  • Dutch
    2017-08-03 11:05:37 AM
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    Trump scolded all the generals involved with Afghanistan and wants an "win". Yes this war is already going for 16 years costing trillions by now and no end in sight. Trump wants to fire the general who is stationed there. As well wants to "steal" their natural resources. Right now the situation over there has become very complex, because more and more parties have an stake in it ; even Russia. So an military solution looks just about impossible. Thus what is going to happen there is an big question; I doubt if it will be resolved under Trump; certainly not with his stupid idea's.
  • Dockadams
    2017-08-03 11:12:04 AM
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    He's definitely showing his ignorance. If you remember Dutch, the Russians left Afghanistan with their tails between their legs like a whipped dog, any country that get's involved in Afghanistan should know that trying to poke democracy down their throats will not work. Especially in a country where a man can sell his daughters for herds of goats.
  • Dutch
    2017-08-03 03:18:03 PM
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    Dockadams Wrote: He's definitely showing his ignorance. If you remember Dutch, the Russians left Afghanistan with their tails between their legs like a whipped dog, any country that get's involved in Afghanistan should know that trying to poke democracy down their throats will not work. Especially in a country where a man can sell his daughters for herds of goats.
    However I read that the Russians are involved again,supporting the Taliban with weapons etc. So what do you prefer a goat or an daughter from there? Free shipping via Amazon! Ha ha.
  • Dockadams
    2017-08-03 03:30:28 PM
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    Well, I don't know where you gained that information from, but I'm not surprised to hear Russia is involved in selling arms to an adversary of the USA, the USA supplied arms to Afghan rebels during Russia's war there. I seem to recall that one president (Reagan) or one of his staff (CIA) talking to a rebel leader telling him to just kill Russians.

    globalissues.org/article/258/anatomy-of...

  • TJ
    2017-08-03 04:46:36 PM
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    Dutch Wrote: Trump scolded all the generals involved with Afghanistan and wants an "win". Yes this war is already going for 16 years costing trillions by now and no end in sight. Trump wants to fire the general who is stationed there. As well wants to "steal" their natural resources. Right now the situation over there has become very complex, because more and more parties have an stake in it ; even Russia. So an military solution looks just about impossible. Thus what is going to happen there is an big question; I doubt if it will be resolved under Trump; certainly not with his stupid idea's.
    Natural resources???? (3/4 through the Wizard of Oz. Poppies... Yes they have poppies for making Opium. He obviously heard about the rampant Opioid crisis and said "Damnit, there's profits to be made". Just kidding but I am not aware of natural resources that have any value.
  • Maindawg
    2017-08-03 05:00:17 PM
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    Afganistan has tons of natural resources not to mention the pipeline they want to build. Opium is a big resource also. The fat idiot , still working his coup sceme is trying to get the pentagon to turn over opps to blackwater type militias that his buddies own and than private armies will be the new world police. The generals don't like it one bit. Meanwhile , Meuller just empaneled a grand jury so indictments are coming. So much fun to watch h the world end this way !
  • lonely bird
    2017-08-03 06:17:33 PM
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    When you're wounded and left on Afganistan's plains

    And the women come out to cut up what remains

    Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains

    And go to your Gawd like a soldier...

    Trump doesn't have a frigging clue and I ain't gonna give him one.

  • Dutch
    2017-08-04 08:52:06 AM
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    Maindawg Wrote: Afganistan has tons of natural resources not to mention the pipeline they want to build. Opium is a big resource also. The fat idiot , still working his coup sceme is trying to get the pentagon to turn over opps to blackwater type militias that his buddies own and than private armies will be the new world police. The generals don't like it one bit. Meanwhile , Meuller just empaneled a grand jury so indictments are coming. So much fun to watch h the world end this way !
    Guess what; they have resources plenty; like lithium for Apple's batteries; the Chinese are busy there to extract it.
  • Dutch
    2017-08-04 08:57:15 AM
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    Maindawg Wrote: Afganistan has tons of natural resources not to mention the pipeline they want to build. Opium is a big resource also. The fat idiot , still working his coup sceme is trying to get the pentagon to turn over opps to blackwater type militias that his buddies own and than private armies will be the new world police. The generals don't like it one bit. Meanwhile , Meuller just empaneled a grand jury so indictments are coming. So much fun to watch h the world end this way !

    Guess what; who will be then the biggest trader in the "white" stuff? Blackwater!!! Then the money will flow back via L.L.C. channels to DeVos (her brother runs it) and the rest to Trump. An super solution!!

  • Dockadams
    2017-08-04 10:57:28 AM
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    I'll get blasted for posting a wiki link, but here I go. Again.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Afghani...

    "Mining in Afghanistan is controlled by the Ministry of Mines and Petroleum, which is headquartered in Kabul with regional offices in other parts of the country. Afghanistan has over 1400 mineral fields,[1][2][3] containing barite, chromite, coal, copper, gold, iron ore, lead, natural gas, petroleum, precious and semi-precious stones, salt, sulfur, talc, zinc among many other minerals.[1][4] Gemstones include high-quality emerald, lapis lazuli, red garnet and ruby. According to a joint study by The Pentagon and the United States Geological Survey, Afghanistan has an estimated 1 trillion USD[5] of untapped minerals, although other sources estimate it at 3 trillion USD.[6][7] In December 2013, President Karzai claimed the mineral deposits are actually worth $30 trillion,[8] a quantity that would exceed total global mining revenues (in 2016) by a factor of approximately 60.[9]

    There are six lapis mines in Afghanistan, the largest being located in Badakhshan province. There are around 12 copper mines in Afghanistan, including the Aynak copper deposit located in Logar province.[10] Afghanistan's significance from an energy standpoint stems from its geographical position as a potential transit route for oil and natural gas exports from Central Asia to the Arabian Sea. This potential includes the construction of the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline gas pipeline.[11] The first Afghan oil production began in October 2012."

    Notice the first mineral listed is barite, there is quartz in layers after the ground is broken by shovels and dozers, and in that quartz is a mix of precious and semi precious stones. As a rock hunter, I almost wished I was there to pick through rock and sand to find specimens.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryte#/media/Fil...

    treasuremountainmining.com/Minerals-a-z...

    dnr.mo.gov/geology/geosrv/imac/barite.h...

    I've rock hounded in Missouri and have come back with some very nice, ornate barite crystals. I'll bet there are some fine geodes in Afghanistan.

    bing.com/images/search?q=geodes+from+af...

  • Dutch
    2017-08-04 01:53:19 PM
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    Great!! Dock, let's kick the Yankee's out and start an business there! No wonder Trump wants to steal all those resources. I just wonder who got rich in those 16 years war; in any case Karzai got plenty of money from here and likely joined our billionaires club. I bet quite a few Americans got richer as well, including in the arms industry. What a world!
  • Dockadams
    2017-08-04 03:08:59 PM
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    Dutch Wrote: Great!! Dock, let's kick the Yankee's out and start an business there! No wonder Trump wants to steal all those resources. I just wonder who got rich in those 16 years war; in any case Karzai got plenty of money from here and likely joined our billionaires club. I bet quite a few Americans got richer as well, including in the arms industry. What a world!

    Yeah, well, we'd have to dodge mortar shells and other stuff.

    I'm not sure if that was the Russian's intent when they first invaded Afghanistan, but if it was, it was a feeble tryout. I just wonder too who is getting wealthy off another country's misery?

    I watched 1/2 or less of a documentary about Venezuela a few days ago, all that oil they have, and the country can't even take care of it's own problems. Sounds familiar though, Iraq is destabilized as is Afghanistan, from foreigners interfering with their problems. At least that's the way I perceive it.

  • pr
    2017-08-05 06:37:01 AM
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    Does any American citizen have even the slightest idea why we are in really fighting in Afghanistan? I think not. 16 years to fight a war that is totally meaningless to us for no other reason than to keep the military busy and make huge profits for American big business. We have an ignorant population that is ready to believe any BS they are told if it will "cut taxes and make them safe".

    The very people who voulenteer to join the military so they can go and "fight" to protect our "freedom" are the enablers who have curtailed our freedoms. Fighting all these needless, immoral and expensive wars for years and years only serves the 1% that profit from them at the expense of ignorant, undereducated, macho fools who become nothing but cannon fodder to MAGA!

    Is it any wonder most of the civilized world just looks at us and shakes their hean in amazement that a country can be controlled by a few ignorant voters and a clow president? We have become the laughing stock of the world and it's only the fear of our needless military might that keeps us on time. We are always fighting the wrong people for the wrong reasons and because the politicians wrap it up in patriotism the gulable masses accept it.

    We have learned nothing since Vietnam Nam and I fear we never will.

  • TJ
    2017-08-05 07:07:14 AM
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    Well said. If we had better communicators serving ourselves (D) that message should be spread widely . We don't and it won't be. Sad.
  • Dutch
    2017-08-05 08:09:37 AM
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    TJ Wrote: Well said. If we had better communicators serving ourselves (D) that message should be spread widely . We don't and it won't be. Sad.
    Dock, P.R, TJ, all very well said ; yes we are just tiny "toys" in the world of the "players" and the "voters" don't understand that they are being used. Yes indeed, we've never learned anything even since the Korean war (which still bites us), let alone the Vietnam war.
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