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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Our posts since Trump became President sound like wild conspiracy theories. Trouble is they are all true all based on real objective facts. It seems almost unbelievable that one person could cause so much self interest motivated negative criticism. There has to be a GOP faction realising that Trump will destroy the Republican Party and dangerously hurt the USA. I would hope that the DNC hierarchy is planning a counter attack but ??? But status quo is their fallback excuse/plan.

    There is seldom anything on this sight that isn't based on objective observations. Why no DNC outcry? I saw Pelosi given an opportunity to speak about pending investigation appearances when asked about Kushner testifying and she simply said he'll testify. Is she afraid of the Trump wrath? And that begs the question when or will the DNC attack.

    The counter to Trump is Bernie Sanders. The hostility toward Bernie Sanders is giving Trump a lot of support. Massive demonstrations and rallies for Bernie Sanders are the only "NO" for Trump. The MSM is effectively quelling Sanders. Why? They are profit driven and every morning the News starts with "Breaking Over Night" or "Bombshell" or ........ The MSM doesn't have to work for headlines. Trump is doing their jobs for them. MSM is a good example of how dangerous profit only is for a goal. They don't care what Trump does as long as he keeps dropping bombs.

  • Center Left
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    You're right. It's strange to think about. Even 'South Park', one of the most notorious satire shows ever created, had a bad season last year. They said it was just way too hard to make fun of him and our entire political system right now, being that what's happening in real life is already ridiculous. They tried to make fun of Trump in every way possible, but he just keeps ruining the punchline.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Our posts since Trump became President sound like wild conspiracy theories. Trouble is they are all true all based on real objective facts. It seems almost unbelievable that one person could cause so much self interest motivated negative criticism. There has to be a GOP faction realising that Trump will destroy the Republican Party and dangerously hurt the USA. I would hope that the DNC hierarchy is planning a counter attack but ??? But status quo is their fallback excuse/plan.

    There is seldom anything on this sight that isn't based on objective observations. Why no DNC outcry? I saw Pelosi given an opportunity to speak about pending investigation appearances when asked about Kushner testifying and she simply said he'll testify. Is she afraid of the Trump wrath? And that begs the question when or will the DNC attack.

    The counter to Trump is Bernie Sanders. The hostility toward Bernie Sanders is giving Trump a lot of support. Massive demonstrations and rallies for Bernie Sanders are the only "NO" for Trump. The MSM is effectively quelling Sanders. Why? They are profit driven and every morning the News starts with "Breaking Over Night" or "Bombshell" or ........ The MSM doesn't have to work for headlines. Trump is doing their jobs for them. MSM is a good example of how dangerous profit only is for a goal. They don't care what Trump does as long as he keeps dropping bombs.

    When you govern by executive order and twitter, you don't need MSM. Are there laws against that? There ought to be.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    There's plenty of postings on this site that don't come close to being objective or based on sound reason or facts. That's ok though because this site encourages people to express their opinions regardless of whether they are based on facts or just your feelings.

    We typically can't go a week without someone (we all know who) writing multiple postings about fascist oligarchs burning this country to the ground. We also typically can't go a week without having at least one conspiracy theory, or should I say factually challenged, posting about any number of topics.

    Far too many people on this site think that the President is some all powerful king who, depending on which party he belongs to, should either have immense powers to enact sweeping changes or absolutely no powers at all. They want a powerful executive when it's a Democrat in office and the executive to have zero powers at all when it's a Republican.

    That is why I'm constantly reminding people that it wouldn't hurt to dust off an old civics book and reeducate themselves because it astounds me how little people know when it comes to how our government operates.

    I'm not trying to call people stupid, but Democrats are just as guilty as Republicans when it comes to falling prey to alternative facts and wild conspiracy theories.


    We get the government we deserve. If people didn't want Donald to be given the keys to our nuclear arsenal then they shouldn't have voted for Jill Stein and literally thrown their vote away. If people didn't want the Republicans to steal a Supreme Court seat then they shouldn't have convinced themselves that their votes don't matter, so why even vote at all. If people didn't want to give the Republicans control of the House and Senate then they should have gotten off their ass and voted last November.

    You want to know what's really going to kill our Democracy? Voter apathy. (See Schmidt's numerous writings on this topic.) Four in ten eligible/registered voters are just too lazy to vote at all for their President and that number skyrockets in non-Presidential elections.

    They have all the time in the world to watch sixty hours of television each week, but it's just too difficult to take a few minutes out of their busy days to vote for the leader of the free world.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Says jaredsxtn : "You want to know what's really going to kill our Democracy? Voter apathy. (See Schmidt's numerous writings on this topic.)"

    jaredsxtn, neither you or Schmidt are the first people in the history of civilization to blame suffering people for their own problems. Claiming voter apathy is a self centered elitist standard excuse for not helping people. NEWS FLASH-- Poor and lower class people will never be able to dust off the civics book and learn how to make government responsive to their needs. They have other more important things to deal with in their lives other than voting for a government that sells laws through lobbying to the highest bidder. For the most part poor, lower class and working class people are happy and content struggling along continually suffering the abuse of selfish people crafting laws that continually improve the well being of those that know how to and will expend the time and energy to continually improve their status. It is up to the people that can to create conditions that are fair. It is up to the people that can recognize injustices to do something about it. Just because certain people can be taken advantage of does not make it the right thing to do. Those that can should strive to make conditions equal and fair for everybody. The lower income have nothing to vote for. There have been no laws or candidates presented to them other than Bernie Sanders that would improve their conditions. Schmidt criticizes me for claiming the CFMA needs to be repealed. Why? It certainly would not hurt anybody to repeal it and it would be a great boom to the country to get rid of it. The CFMA had and has no benefit to this country or to the majority of people that live here. The working class and lower incomes will probably never overrun the voting booths so is it fair to beat them to death with their own ignorance or inability to improve their status. Self sufficiency is not the characteristic of the majority of people. Having a good income and stable life is not self sufficiency, it is living in conditions that are currently providing a surplus. When the market crashes so does the life of most people. The majority of Americans can't come up with $400 in an emergency.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    What do you think would have happened had Bernie Sanders been elected President? Do you think the Congress would have just rolled over and passed every single one of his ideas into law? How is that working out for Donald?

    Oh, and what do you think would happen if/when the Federal Courts flexed their muscles and struck down one or all of the bills President Sanders signed into law after his super majority in the House and Senate just bent over and allowed him to tell them what to do?

    This is what I'm trying to get across. No one single person can "make America great again." Not Donald. Not Bernie. Not Obama. Not anyone. That's because we are not a monarchy!!!


    We have a system that gives the individual states and localities within those individual states a crazy amount of autonomy. The laws in Oregon are a hell of a lot different than the laws in Alabama. And the regulations in Portland, OR are a hell of a lot different than the regulations in Bend, OR.

    We also have a system that gives the Congress vastly more power than the President. The Constitution is very explicit in this manner.

    Article I has 2,318 words and gives the Congress vast powers to regulate everything from coining money to declaring war. Article I, Section 8 lays out eighteen different specific things the Congress is responsible for.

    Article II is 1,032 and spends the vast majority of those words talking about how a President is elected and the rest of it talks about how limited his powers are.


    This country has to wake up and realize that we don't live in a monarchy. The President is as powerful as the country allows him, and hopefully someday her, to be.

    Bernie would have run into the same roadblocks as Donald is right now. And that's a good thing. No single person should have the power to tell 320 million people how to live their lives.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    So Trump is better??? Doesn't make any difference what the protocol is. It doesn't make any difference. Bernie would have been better if he did nothing at all. With him as president then maybe people would realize what was needed but in any case the country would have been far better off with Bernie as President.

    "This is what I'm trying to get across. No one single person can "make America great again." Not Donald. Not Bernie. Not Obama. Not anyone. That's because we are not a monarchy!"

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: So Trump is better???

    This is what drives me nuts about you sometimes. Have I ever said anything remotely close to that?

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Doesn't make any difference what the protocol is.

    Yes it does! If people are too lazy to vote then they deserve the government they have. Politicians respond to what the constituents in their districts and states tell them. As the famous quote says - "all politics is local."

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Bernie would have been better if he did nothing at all. With him as president then maybe people would realize what was needed but in any case the country would have been far better off with Bernie as President.

    Well then Bernie should have convinced more people to vote for him in the Democratic primaries. Millions of more people voted for Clinton over him whether you like it or not. That's just a fact you and many people have never been able to accept. And instead of accepting it, "Bernie or Bust" assholes decided to allow a man baby who Tweets his every thought to be given the keys to our nuclear codes. I hope it was worth it for them.

  • Independent
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    I am always interested in understanding how others "think" and perceive things. So when it comes to conspiracies, I am more interested in understanding how, in many cases, they take factual information and twist it into something that it is impossible. In their mind, they are right, and the majority of world has yet figure out they have been mislead by a conspiracy. The moon missions or the world is flat. Seriously? yet there are significant number of intelligent\educated people that would bet everything they have on those conspiracies. I do find them entertaining and love when movies and books take these conspiracies theories and turn them into entertainment.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    What do you think would have happened had Bernie Sanders been elected President? Do you think the Congress would have just rolled over and passed every single one of his ideas into law? How is that working out for Donald?

    Oh, and what do you think would happen if/when the Federal Courts flexed their muscles and struck down one or all of the bills President Sanders signed into law after his super majority in the House and Senate just bent over and allowed him to tell them what to do?

    This is what I'm trying to get across. No one single person can "make America great again." Not Donald. Not Bernie. Not Obama. Not anyone. That's because we are not a monarchy!!!


    We have a system that gives the individual states and localities within those individual states a crazy amount of autonomy. The laws in Oregon are a hell of a lot different than the laws in Alabama. And the regulations in Portland, OR are a hell of a lot different than the regulations in Bend, OR.

    We also have a system that gives the Congress vastly more power than the President. The Constitution is very explicit in this manner.

    Article I has 2,318 words and gives the Congress vast powers to regulate everything from coining money to declaring war. Article I, Section 8 lays out eighteen different specific things the Congress is responsible for.

    Article II is 1,032 and spends the vast majority of those words talking about how a President is elected and the rest of it talks about how limited his powers are.


    This country has to wake up and realize that we don't live in a monarchy. The President is as powerful as the country allows him, and hopefully someday her, to be.

    Bernie would have run into the same roadblocks as Donald is right now. And that's a good thing. No single person should have the power to tell 320 million people how to live their lives.

    As most of us know, at least by now, a majority in the house and senate of one party or the other rules, and, the majority party in power at the same time whose president is of the same party does help. Exhibit A is the ACA. Democrats had the majority in congress and a democrat as president, no republicans voted for the ACA. None, zero.

    Not one person can accomplish anything, that is true, and nor should he or she as an elected official. Overriding a presidential veto takes a majority to do too.

    Now, back to the topic. Yes, there's a few subjects or topics which might be useless, and possibly faux, but this place doesn't have a place for a levity topic in the forum list that I know of. I had to start a thread about national hot dog day in a politics forum, if the site were more user friendly, we could have had a dropdown menu for nominating your favorite hot dog, or nominating your person of choice as a hot dog. My favorite hot dog has 4 legs and fur, especially after he's laid in the sun for an hour on a 80 degree day. A bit of levity on the site might be welcomed.

    At this time, I'd like to nominate a little Indian girl named Elizabeth Warren for president in 2020, and ask her to pick Tammy Duckworth as her running mate, please, no more Clintons or Bushes.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd -- Yes it is a subject that intrigues me as well. How even highly educated people can be caught up in conspiracy theories. People like Alex Jones make a very profitable living out of selling conspiracy theories. There must be something in a person's DNA that makes them more susceptible to believing wacky BS. In that regard, the avid viewers of Fox and Friends must share that DNA because some of the stuff they put out is in competition with Alex Jones.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    i.ytimg.com/vi/Fn6DpMjflZ0/maxresdefaul...

    This picture of Megyn Kelly and Alex Jones was from the promotion of her interview with Alex Jones. Megyn Kelly appears to be on a date with one of the most despicable humans, Alex Jones. What earthly reason could there be to give Alex Jones national air time or to promote him with a picture like this giving him credit for being a "regular guy".

    And here is a comment illustrating how the news is picked up. David Von Drehle writing about the dead despicable Fred Phelps:

    "But Phelps understood that the " engine of news is conflict", and the sharper the conflict, the better."

    time.com/32564/fred-phelps-westboro-bap...

    Von Drehle is an award winning Journalist and is making the point that it is the headline that gets attention. Attention from the MSM goes to the most active, contrasting and conflicting headline. The headline is all that matters, the content is incidental.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote: wwjd -- Yes it is a subject that intrigues me as well. How even highly educated people can be caught up in conspiracy theories. People like Alex Jones make a very profitable living out of selling conspiracy theories. There must be something in a person's DNA that makes them more susceptible to believing wacky BS. In that regard, the avid viewers of Fox and Friends must share that DNA because some of the stuff they put out is in competition with Alex Jones.

    Schmidt and Jared; somehow an weird discussion; since this is an discussion site, like Chet said in the headings it says "values" etc. So we discuss things only but can not launch anything to change the government or start conspiracy's. Each time Jared points to "voters" not voting, or voting for the wrong people as the "excuse", I have to laugh. No, it is the vault of the voter "education" in this country, as well antique laws, which no one wants to change or update. Nor the proper"vetting" as well qualification with strict laws applicable to high positions/president etc. in the Government. Therefore as I said many times; don't blame it on the voter, but blame it on the wrong election procedures and laws as well the corruption via lots of "money". Voters here think that their vote does not count because of the "electoral college" as well the "super PAC's, lobbyists and other corruption. In France the voter turnout was over 84% versus here 35 % max. Thus here it is 100% an self inflicted wound; thus don't circle the wagons all the time.

    About conspiracy; lots of countries had Constitutions or Base laws, but still ended up as dictatorships. Thus that is also possible for the US with only two parties. We've got now an one party rule, which makes such easier than ever. Constitutions are just "paper"; people who vote can be corrupted regardless of a "piece" of paper.

  • Center Left
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    New day, new craziness. Kushner has things to hide. So does DT' s lawyer.

    realtimepolitics.com/2017/07/27/kushner...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote:

    New day, new craziness. Kushner has things to hide. So does DT' s lawyer.

    realtimepolitics.com/2017/07/27/kushner...

    Re: realtime politics

    if it has anything to do with Trump & Co., it must be fake.:|