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Will Trump Fire Jeff Sessions?

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    It looks like there is bipartisan agreement for the Senate to go into pro forma session instead of recess. Thus Dems do not have to filibuster an adjournment resolution. Both Democrats and Republicans want to block Trump from firing Sessions and appointing a suck-up attorney general replacement who would then fire Mueller.

    In 20:20 hindsight Trump should never have appointed his buddy Sessions to Attorney General. If he had appointed Rudy Guliani, we might have a full fledged investigation going of Hillary's e-mails instead of Trump's Russia thing. Ha.

    Funny how things work out.

  • Independent
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    That is good news. We all know Trump is too unpredictable. He wants to fire Sessions, but currently says he has no plans, but that doesn't not mean he won't suddenly flip and fire Sessions without consulting anyone.

    The man Trump wants\needs is Chris Christy. Christy would likely fire Sessions and Mueller the first day on the job and then order the FBI to shut down all investigations that involve Trump.... Or at least he would attempt to do things things knowing it would get tied up in the courts for many months.

    I still have faith that neither party is willing to go after individuals who have lost an election. But there will always be full blown wackos on both sides that want it to be standard a political practice to "lock them up" after the election for BS charges.

  • Independent
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    Also note that John Kelly has assured Jeff Sessions that his job is safe. How could Kelly make such a promise given how unpredictable Trump is from one moment to the next.... My speculation is that Kelly had conditions before accepting the job as chief of staff and Trump knows that Kelly will instantly resign if specific lines are crossed, and one of those lines is firing Sessions and then firing Mueller.
  • Independent
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    I only noticed that Trump is getting crazy-er by the day; His screaming at W.Virginia was totally nuts. Furthermore the news got hold of the recordings in January of Trump's phone calls with the Mexican and Australian Presidents. He did ramble as an kid of 10 years old; this guy certainly is "unfit" to be President. But yeah, the total dumb asses in W.Virginia still keep supporting him all the way. Sorry to say, our stupid laws and lack of decent education is the cause; so when is this country going to wake up??

    I just wonder how anyone can clean up the mess after Trump; if Pence comes in his place, I believe it will become even worse because Pence is also an champion in lies and deceit. No, Kelly will be out before you know it, unless he has enough power to clean all the ass kissers out including Pence.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd:

    To answer your original question, the answer is "yes".

    Moments ago, it was announced that Jeff Sessions, allegedly at the request of John Kelly, has submitted his resignation. Per Trump, Matthew Walker will become "acting attorney general". Ominously, he will take over supervision of the Mueller probe from Rod Rosenstein.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/sessions-resign/index.html

    Whitaker has been chief of staff to Sessions. Not surprisingly, he has a Trump connection:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Whitaker_(lawyer)

    On August 6th, 2017, one month prior to joining the Justice Department, Whitaker wrote an opinion column for CNN titled "Mueller's investigation of Trump is going too far." Then on September 22nd, 2017, a Justice Department official announced that Attorney General Jeff Sessions appointed Whitaker to be his Chief of Staff. Then in early September 2018, Whitaker was revealed to be on the short list of President Trump's White House staff as the replacement for Don McGahn as the White House Counse

    Since he previously has been critical of the Mueller investigation, he should recuse himself from supervising it, but that approach did not work well for sessions.

  • Center Left
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    Yes it's official. The president is scared that he will be asked to be accountable. Can't I just have 6 attorneys delay and avoid admitting anything ? No sir, this is real life and you can't just do what you want without consequences.
  • Independent
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    Trump promised not to fire Sessons until after the midterms. Didn't even wait a full 24 hours.

    Also its clear trump is pissed about the midterm results, and when trump feel he has lost, he makes sure that people suffer for it. Think of it like when an asshole that has a bad day at work he goes home and beats the wife, kids, and family dog. Everybody has to pay because he had a bad day.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes it all fits together. In reading the past posts on this subject several on this website read Trump accurately. It was just when and how he was going to fire Sessions. It's surprising that Sessions lasted this long.

    Looking at the bigger picture, this firing and the appointment of a Trump suck-up was inevitable. Trump knows that if Mueller is allowed to finish his investigation unobstructed, the revelations from the investigation could be devastating to him, his family and the Trump organization. On the likely obstruction of justice charges, he can weather an impeachment by the House (much like Bill Clinton did) but survive a Senate trial which requires 2/3rds of Senators to convict and remove from office. His Senate position is stronger now after the election.

    Of course, there will also be the matter of the many pardons that Trump will issue to family members. Again these can hurt him politically, but remember he has a strong loyal base capable of anything if the justice department went after their messiah in a big way.

    And one wonders if he himself (with Russian help) has leverage over several members of the Senate for their past illegal or sordid affairs. For example, why did Lyndsay Graham "Miss Lindsay" shift his rhetoric and stance 180 degrees on Trump from what it was in 2017? Or is Trump just masterly playing the fear card on his own dishonest Republicans? Either way, he might pull it off, at least for the short term while he has the power.

    What could destroy his financial empire is the ultimate disclosure of his past financial dealings with the Russians, Saudis and perhaps a few other countries. It could reveal that he engaged in illegal money laundering or other crimes, but going even further, if his public romance with Putin and the Saudis can be shown to be a direct result of his personal need to hide those dealings, then the "T" word, treason is on the table. That is the worst case scenario that Trump must have on his mind.

    The next steps will play out over the next several weeks. From what I have heard on TV, Matt Whitaker could not have been appointed if the Jeff Sessions removal was a result of an outright firing. The fact that it is a resignation (even though forced) provides legal cover for Trump to have appointed Whitaker instead of following the chain of command and making Rosenstein Attorney General.

    Whitaker now has full control over what Mueller does. Most likely, Whitaker will be acting to severely limit the scope of the Mueller investigation. He may already be doing it quickly, issuing commands to Mueller that effectively "cut his legs off from under him" before Mueller can take counter measures. How much will be made public, we don't know.

    It's a desperate gamble for Trump, and he could be crucified in the court of public opinion (but not the Trump supporters) for obstruction of justice, but better that outcome than the worst case scenario that could also spell financial ruin to him and his family if some of his dealings as president with other countries could be revealed as treasonous...putting his personal status ahead of that of the country. If it can be shown that he has been compromised, the Senate may have to take off their tribal hats and remove him from office with full disclosure of how he has put himself above country. But will the Senate ever know what Mueller has found out if Whitaker squashes that important part of the investigation from ever being reveled to anyone?

    Trump is the master con artist and this may be his ultimate con act of survival.

    My opinion. We will know soon enough.

  • Center Left
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    The conman hiding from the truth. Mr. Mueller and his team must fully protect all information and press forward diligently. When the ugly details are ready..... CNN should break the news.

    I wonder if privately provided funding can support the investigation.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt and T.J. I'm not surprised at all. Looking at what the con-man selects, it seems to be those similar "bullies' types who in the past were hired to threaten the people who did not pay their "rent" in time at Trumps "rentals". Just look at bully type Pompeo and now this body builder idiot he hired to get rid of Mueller. Trump likes those types; Sessions was way too "tiny" to impress. Anyway let the "party" begin. I hope Mueller covers his ass.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Although this topic has been discussed pretty thoroughly already, an article in this morning's New York Times this morning provides a nice summary:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/07/us/politics/sessions-resigns.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    The article also brings up a historical fact that I had forgotten about:

    The abrupt ouster of Mr. Sessions resembled in some ways the decision by President George W. Bush to oust Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld in 2006 the day after a similar electoral defeat in midterm elections. In that case, Mr. Bush was attempting to mollify his critics. Mr. Trump’s decision to fire Mr. Sessions appeared likely to inflame his adversaries on Capitol Hill.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    According to the Daily Kos this morning, nationwide protests will take place at various places around the country at 5 P.M. tonight. My guess is that Jim Acosta of CNN will be in one of the crowds, since he is no longer allowed in the White House

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/media/trump-cnn-press-conference/index.html

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The Trump mantra: hinder, obstruct, deny, fire, dictate.

    Worse than Nixon.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    And one wonders if he himself (with Russian help) has leverage over several members of the Senate for their past illegal or sordid affairs. For example, why did Lyndsay Graham "Miss Lindsay" shift his rhetoric and stance 180 degrees on Trump from what it was in 2017? Or is Trump just masterly playing the fear card on his own dishonest Republicans? Either way, he might pull it off, at least for the short term while he has the power.

    Indeed very puzzling. Very well could be a combination of carrot and stick. Hypothetical friendly causal private conversation:

    Trump: "Hey Lindsey, I received a very private communication from a confidential source that has a sex video from a hotel where you were staying August 12th-13th, 1998 in NY City. In the video you are having sex with two guys for over 2 hours. One guy is Rex Smith and other was Johhny "Big Dick" Montana. Don't worry your secret is safe with me. BTW, I was thinking of making you Attorney General, assuming we are friends and you are 100% on my team. The job is yours if you are on my team. We don't need to speak about that romp in the hotel ever again"

    The Russians probably have a lot dirt on people and willing to hand it over to Trump because Trump knows how to effectively leverage blackmail information without ever actually threatening anyone or ever actually having to use. Besides as president, he can claim its all part of privileged Intel that all presidents legally have the right to use as they see fit.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Looking at the bigger picture, this firing and the appointment of a Trump suck-up was inevitable. Trump knows that if Mueller is allowed to finish his investigation unobstructed, the revelations from the investigation could be devastating to him, his family and the Trump organization. On the likely obstruction of justice charges, he can weather an impeachment by the House (much like Bill Clinton did) but survive a Senate trial which requires 2/3rds of Senators to convict and remove from office. His Senate position is stronger now after the election.

    Of course, there will also be the matter of the many pardons that Trump will issue to family members. Again these can hurt him politically, but remember he has a strong loyal base capable of anything if the justice department went after their messiah in a big way.

    This is an important observation because Trump is far more dangerous than I think most people assume he is. Most assume the worse will happen is that trump is exposed, resigns (or forced out of office), accepting that he's been unmasked. Its more dangerous because there is a high probability he will use the full force of presidential powers to prevent himself or family from being charged with crimes, or to interfere with his businesses.

    He could declare war as a distraction and then innocent people die for a distraction. He has the power to issue unlimited amount of executive orders that could be unconstitutional\illegal\unethical\inhumane\etc, but would take weeks or months to reach supreme court, long after irreversible damage has been done. He could directly order that Mueller be fired, his team be immediately be disbanded, and all documents destroyed. He could order that Dreamers be immediately be arrested and deported. He could declare an national emergency that gives him even more special powers, etc, etc. You get the idea.

    The point is that he will do whatever it takes to stop any legal action against him, his family, or his company. Typically he tends to threaten to do bad things knowing that congresses is too frightened of him, and not going to call his bluff, but if they do proceed with prosecution, Trump will do whatever is needed, even if it means harming innocent people and harming the country. Donald Trump is president to empower and enrich Donald Trump, thus "All other priorities are rescinded". No way would he sit back and accept punishment for crimes he has committed because he has the presidential powers to cause so much harm that nobody dare attempt to cross the line.

    Legally speaking, he could walk up to Mueller (or anyone), pull out a gun and shoot him dead, and still be president until impeachment process was completed. And if Trump did go to such an insane extreme, he would argue that it was a justified action, and as president he has the constitutional right to execute anyone he so chooses. There would be congressmen, who would side with him out of fear of being voted out of office. With Mueller dead, Trump would go on the offensive to portray Mueller as the bad guy that needed to be killed, and Trump being an American hero who got the job done.