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Will Trump Fire Jeff Sessions?

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    wwjd Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Trump's furor at Sessions begs the question why? The obvious answer is Trump is guilty of collusion and he wanted a yes man in charge. Thoughts???


    There is at least two answers to the question. The simple answer comes down trust, and Trump does not trust anyone who is not loyal to Trump as their #1 priority. This means being loyal to Trump over country. This means willing to do things that put their career at risk by crossing legal and\or ethical boundaries. My speculation is that Trump has tested Sessions by giving him orders that Sessions either refused, or failed.

    The more complex answer is what Trump is afraid of, and how Sessions is in the way. There is no longer any doubt that Trump wants Sessions gone, it just has not happened yet. Whatever Trump wants done, Session no longer is a help to him. Trump may have a new AG lined up, someone who will be the legal "hit man" trump is looking for. Trump wants an AG that enjoys legally fucking people over (Sadistic personality). Someone who is feared and willing go out of bounds to get the job done. Someone who thinks "if the American people need to pay the price for Trump to be successful, then so be it."

    Yeah, Trump let the loyalty word slip in front of the boy scouts, didn't he.
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    wwjd Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Trump's furor at Sessions begs the question why? The obvious answer is Trump is guilty of collusion and he wanted a yes man in charge. Thoughts???


    There is at least two answers to the question. The simple answer comes down trust, and Trump does not trust anyone who is not loyal to Trump as their #1 priority. This means being loyal to Trump over country. This means willing to do things that put their career at risk by crossing legal and\or ethical boundaries. My speculation is that Trump has tested Sessions by giving him orders that Sessions either refused, or failed.

    The more complex answer is what Trump is afraid of, and how Sessions is in the way. There is no longer any doubt that Trump wants Sessions gone, it just has not happened yet. Whatever Trump wants done, Session no longer is a help to him. Trump may have a new AG lined up, someone who will be the legal "hit man" trump is looking for. Trump wants an AG that enjoys legally fucking people over (Sadistic personality). Someone who is feared and willing go out of bounds to get the job done. Someone who thinks "if the American people need to pay the price for Trump to be successful, then so be it."

    Yes wwjd; absolutely correct; Trump and his cronies either want the Hitler style or the Putin style in the government. He will use all means to reach that goal. He's an dictator who does not want "checks" and "balances" let alone laws like the three "branches" of government who work independent according to the law. Thus regardless of what Jared thinks, he will do everything to undo all of that, piece by piece. Thus if he fires Sessions, then he will put someone in place who is "loyal" like Guiliani; then another "branch" is under his control.
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    Trump has no regard for the law. He's operating as a dictator.
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    Dockadams Wrote: Trump has no regard for the law. He's operating as a dictator.

    ^^^ It is important for everyone to understand is "that is who he is in his DNA".

    By this I mean, the personality traits make him attractive to a few (his base), and extremely offensive to the majority (everyone else), will never ever change. He's not going to learn to be a better POTUS because his skill set does not match the requirement for the job; he is a square peg trying to fit into round hole. His base loves him because they are by nature followers who feel perfectly comfortable with someone that take charges and has 100% control over everything\everyone. These are the types of people who live well in countries like Russia, NK, etc, because they do not feel the need to have the freedoms that are protected by the US constitution. Its not a matter of brainwashing, as followers by nature, they feel comfortable living under tight controls\supervision and limited rights\freedoms. However, they are a minority class in all counties, which is why authoritarian governments always fall apart and exactly why Trump will never be a successful POTUS.

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    Call them Trumpbots.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    He may try, but that would send a cataclysmic shock wave around Washington that Donald is most certainty not prepared for. That's why I think he's trying to get Sessions to quit instead of firing him.

    I agree with the result of what would happen if he fired Sessions. I am curious do you think Trump has any true concern about the fallout?


    My perception of Trump is that he is not concerned about the impact of his discussions unless it directly impacts him (he personally feels pain\frustration). If the "Shock wave" targets others, and\or his staff has to clean up the mess, that is fine with Trump because that is how he has been conducting business since the 1970s. He is like a bad general on the battle field who does not care about how many soldiers die, he wants that fucking hill because he wants his picture taken standing there as the hero with sunset in background. Dead solders are easily replaced with an endless supply of live soldiers who have no choice in how they are about to die. In this case, he is risking the future the american people; I have yet to see Trump demonstrate any real concern about the American people.

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    Great analogy.
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    wwjd Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Trump's furor at Sessions begs the question why? The obvious answer is Trump is guilty of collusion and he wanted a yes man in charge. Thoughts???


    There is at least two answers to the question. The simple answer comes down trust, and Trump does not trust anyone who is not loyal to Trump as their #1 priority. This means being loyal to Trump over country. This means willing to do things that put their career at risk by crossing legal and\or ethical boundaries. My speculation is that Trump has tested Sessions by giving him orders that Sessions either refused, or failed.

    The more complex answer is what Trump is afraid of, and how Sessions is in the way. There is no longer any doubt that Trump wants Sessions gone, it just has not happened yet. Whatever Trump wants done, Session no longer is a help to him. Trump may have a new AG lined up, someone who will be the legal "hit man" trump is looking for. Trump wants an AG that enjoys legally fucking people over (Sadistic personality). Someone who is feared and willing go out of bounds to get the job done. Someone who thinks "if the American people need to pay the price for Trump to be successful, then so be it."

    Trump is busy to stop the investigation into his finances via the Congress; probably Jared or Schmidt knows the details.

    If he succeeds in doing that, where does that leave Mueller?

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    Donald Trump could fire Jeff Sessions at any time day or night but it would require a proper letter and not a tweet. The only reason he would do that is the expectation he would be able to appoint a fill-in attorney general during the Senate recess that would not be subject to Senate oversight and would be loyal to Trump when Trump asked him to fire Robert Mueller. In other words Trump wants to appoint a Trump suck-up answerable to him and not subject to Senate confirmation.

    However, there are two good reasons why this might not happen. First the Republicans have put pressure on Trump that they would not take kindly to him firing Sessions who has many Republican friends in the Senate. They themselves might decide to block Trump's replacement by not going into formal recess. Mitch McConnell controls that option.

    Note, however, that the formal process of the Senate going into recess requires the passage of an adjournment resolution. Assuming Trump fires Sessions anyway, Republicans (McConnell) could in theory try pass the adjournment resolution allowing Trump to appoint his suck-up during the recess.

    If this scenario seems at all possible, then Democrats could block the approval of the formal adjournment resolution by filibustering it. Hence the Senate would not officially go into adjournment and Trump could not appoint his suck-up.

    However, on the other hand, if Dems somehow let the official adjournment resolution pass then they are exposed. Therefore look for Democrats to filibuster the adjournment resolution no matter what because they just cannot trust McConnell on anything.

    My opinion...subject to challenge by smarter people than me.

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    According to law Sessions had no choice but to recuse himself. Sessions was involved in the campaign and that makes him automatically required to recuse himself. Failure to do so would have gotten him into legal trouble. Trump knew Sessions was involved in his campaign and Trump should have known that Sessions would have to recuses himself. Trump is a victim of his own design. The more he complains the more the chances are that it will it will sink in to the public he is upset because he is guilty. Former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson on Thursday defended Attorney General Jeff Sessions's decision to recuse himself from the Russia investigation:
    "Johnson said the decision to recuse himself was "not because of his Senate testimony about contacts with Russian government officials."
    "Basically, Jeff Sessions had no choice," Johnson added. "Being involved in the campaign, there are aspects of the campaign that are under investigation, and so he had to recuse himself." Trump knew going in that he was choosing someone to serve as his attorney general who had been involved in his campaign, Johnson said.

    thehill.com/homenews/administration/342...

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    No, he's too stupid to realize "cause and effect" he only thinks 3 minutes ahead. If we end up with war with N.Korea, guess who caused it. Not N.K. or China.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    According to law Sessions had no choice but to recuse himself. Sessions was involved in the campaign and that makes him automatically required to recuse himself. Failure to do so would have gotten him into legal trouble.

    It appears Trump wanted Sessions to fall on his sword to protect Trump, even if that meant Session found himself being charged with obstruction of justice. The political focus would then have been on on Sessions for blocking the Russian investigation, not Trump. Sessions would have been the fall guy for a lot of the Russian BS if he had refused to excuse himself. Trump then could have then said something like "I had no idea Sessions was a spy for the Russians."

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    Trump has lived a special self-aggrandising life. His MarLago butler would announce all rise when Trump entered a room and he would have "Hail to the Chief" play when Trump arrived and got out of his limousine. Big deals and monstrous money control would subjugate all his employees and his personal relationships. His motivation is a number. Announcing a health care plan that cut medicare/medicaid and costing millions any kind of health insurance and calling it "beautiful" questions his sense of reality. The people that would benefit from his actions are the only real people to him. Everybody else falls into the same category as shovels, wheelbarrows and etc. The most outrageous descriptions for a selfish person fall far short and can't begin to grasp the absence of concern for people out of his category. The internet is consumed with descriptions, complaints, ridicule meaning there is no talk about the economy and living wage jobs. The link to search below gives an idea of insulated he is from real life.

    google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHHM_enUS751US...

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    wwjd Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    According to law Sessions had no choice but to recuse himself. Sessions was involved in the campaign and that makes him automatically required to recuse himself. Failure to do so would have gotten him into legal trouble.

    It appears Trump wanted Sessions to fall on his sword to protect Trump, even if that meant Session found himself being charged with obstruction of justice. The political focus would then have been on on Sessions for blocking the Russian investigation, not Trump. Sessions would have been the fall guy for a lot of the Russian BS if he had refused to excuse himself. Trump then could have then said something like "I had no idea Sessions was a spy for the Russians."

    Exactly and as extreme as what you say sounds it is real every day business for Trump. Trump expected Sessions to destroy himself to protect Trump. I am not sure what Trump has exactly said but I suspect it could be criminal. If he expected Sessions to not recuse himself it seems Trump would be complicit in expecting fraud and special justice. Saying he would not have hired Sessions if he knew Sessions would recuse himself looks like conspiracy to alter justice.
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    Sessions is in a small way a mini-Trump. This means his loyalty is to himself within the confines of his internal morality hierarchy. Thus the DOJ saying gays aren't covered for discrimination. Sessions hates gays.