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Bruce Bartlett: Why I'm Not a Democrat

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Moyers and Company, Bruce Bartlett, June 26, 2017: Why I'm Not a Democrat

    Bruce Bartlett was a lifelong conservative Republican and economist until the George W. Bush administration made him rethink his role in the party. Now he is an Independent, but cannot get himself to join the Democratic Party for reasons stated in his article. I read his article and I think he offers good advice to Democrats and how they can be more competitive.

    You can read and judge for yourself, but I'll extract one paragraph:

    "The Trump phenomenon is the culmination of everything I hated about the Bush-Gingrich era Republican Party that drove me out, especially the anti-intellectualism. The sum total of Trump’s agenda appears to begin and end with reversing whatever Obama did; I see no sign of a positive agenda even from a conservative point of view. The Republican Party appears to exist for the sole purpose of acquiring power in order to shower rewards on those who support the party, especially those who support it financially."

    While being highly critical of Trump and Republicans, at the end of the article he offers what he would like to see Democrats do. I think many in this website will agree with him.

    Thoughts?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    S hmidt, Just curious but do you recall any of the that I said the GOP focused while Democrats jumped to support any cause that could qenerate a wine and cheese function. I have stated many times that the GOP focused on their own welfare while Democrats were out to save the world. Do you remember any of the times I said the DNC should focus on the working middle class because if they do well the whole country does well. Fix the bottom and that will generate massive tax revenues for more money to spend to make better jobs for even more revenue creating prosperity. Do you recall me saying that. Here.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I recall you saying it perhaps a thousand times. Move on.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Move on???? I just paraphrased your article with my past posts and you deny that is what that article says? What good is going to happen if you continually deny what the party needs when it was outlined in your own article. That is why Hillary lost. She personified clueless. Your article or don't you see the point he was making?
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    While being highly critical of Trump and Republicans, at the end of the article he offers what he would like to see Democrats do. I think many in this website will agree with him.

    Thoughts?


    Yes, for a long time I have thought of the republication party as being the party of people who look at life as a "glass half empty". To be clear, its a bit like sexual orientation, it's how an individual perceives everything, without the ability change that specific outlook even if they wanted to. If such an individual were to win 100 million in the lottery, they will complain saying "If god really loved me, it would have been 200 million. He is only giving half as much as I deserve". They can't identify with seeing things in a more balanced or positive manner. They love being miserable. This is just a generalization; it's rare for any specific individual to be a caricature.

    At the heart of being a fiscal conservative is the idea that the free market can always do a better job and do it cheaper, and government efforts are at best OK, and always more costly. Take a look at Russia, the government controls nearly everything, and nearly everything sucks. And their government is extremely corrupt. The conservative perception is that the freer the market for everything, the better....

    Liberals lean toward having the government highly policing or running everything business related because we have seen what happens when the free market is not properly supervised; an elite few get very very rich by taking full advantage of their position and power, and legally steal the life saving of millions of people, leaving them with nothing. Even after the collapse of several big firms in 2009, those in charge got millions in bonuses. Nobody at near the top was ever held responsible. Their punishment was they weren't billionaires anymore, they were reduced to being millionaires who had to downsize to a couple of homes, and one medium size yacht.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "At the heart of being a fiscal conservative is the idea that the free market can always do a better job and do it cheaper"

    Sorry, wrong. Do it cheaper is all that do it cheaper is. It is never better. Do it cheaper simply cuts costs.You can't point to one single thing that is better if it is cheaper that isn't regulated . Left unregulated cheaper is self destructive. There is no such thing as a free market. Cheaper unregulated leads to destruction. That is why cheaper must be regulated and therefore is not a free market. A free market is like Martin Shkreli. Buys a drug company and raises the price of a life saving drug 5000%. A free market eliminates competition then freely sky rockets prices up. That is the ending to the fable of cheaper and better.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt, as I've said so many times, it is the system here which needs an total revamp. As long as this stays an"capitalistic" country which hates "socialism" then the corruption stays. Our laws are also helping such. The lobbyists and corrupt "money' runs everything. No laws to "vet" top functions in this government invites the "mob". Sorry there is no turning back unless this country makes an clean sweep and amend the Constitution to reflect 2017 life, not 1800. Just votes should count as well take the "money" out of elections, that would be an good start.

    I guess the statement of that ex GOP person is correct, but it does not help us, if don't drastically change our "corrupt" system here as well only an two party system who fight each other and leads to "polarization"

    My question remains; why does this country refuses to look at other countries who have an good government system, with decent healthcare, balanced tax system, multi party government, no lobbyists or other corruption as well proper laws.???? And copy those. An "island" mentality does not help.

  • Liberal
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    Absolutely 100% correct Dutch.

    I'm up in Canada right now and the differences between both countries are astounding! Canada has turned out to be what the USA should be/could be but never will be.

    As Trumpy would say "Sad, very sad"!

  • Independent
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    pr Wrote:

    Absolutely 100% correct Dutch.

    I'm up in Canada right now and the differences between both countries are astounding! Canada has turned out to be what the USA should be/could be but never will be.

    As Trumpy would say "Sad, very sad"!

    Thanks P.R. but the US thinks it is still number one in the world ; yes in"stupidity" Like my wife says; they are missing an essential part of their brain here; must be the food or the weather or the church/army.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch -- You make many good points and I won't argue many of them. But I will push back when you use terms like, "the US thinks". The United States is not capable of thinking nor is any country, state, or entity. You would be more accurate to use more specificity like "Donald Trump" or "the Trump administration" policies or "Republican policies".

    The United States is culturally, racially, politically, religiously, intellectually and geographically diverse, and any statements or policies that may apply to our currently elected officials should not be "branded" as owned by the vast majority of Americans as if we were acting with one unified brain...the "Borg" in the Star Trek series for example.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Dutch -- You make many good points and I won't argue many of them. But I will push back when you use terms like, "the US thinks". The United States is not capable of thinking nor is any country, state, or entity. You would be more accurate to use more specificity like "Donald Trump" or "the Trump administration" policies or "Republican policies".

    The United States is culturally, racially, politically, religiously, intellectually and geographically diverse, and any statements or policies that may apply to our currently elected officials should not be "branded" as owned by the vast majority of Americans as if we were acting with one unified brain...the "Borg" in the Star Trek series for example.

    Thus you think we are doing great???? I'm only quoting what others in the world think and say about us. Who is always boasting that we are number "one"; not me. I agree with you, that the US in the past had an good reputation in the world.

    Our fantastic "christian white supremacy" leader did change that position quickly in 5 month time, to an "banana republic; you know all about that how that works. The truth hurts, I know. Please advise me how in hell will this country get back to "normal" if votes don't count and we get Pence later on? The damage is done, reversing that will take forever. Please get real. Yes I say the US and its people are responsible because they "vote" via an antique system and lots of "money"; not people from Mars. I did not invent that stupidity; thus don't blame me.

    Thus my statement is correct people here would vote correctly if they would have brains as well demand an better system; thus not.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Interesting article. I was banned from a R & L blog/forum for my views of Reagan and Bush 41 & 43, among other things. I wrote that none of these so called republicans were not conservatives at all, and that they were really liberal-lights, like lite beer (if you can imagine).
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Hey Schmidt,

    Bruce Bartlett is an interesting cat. He's on facebook all the time.

    I actually explained the basics of MMT to him, and he's had lunch with Stephanie Kelton.

    Last time I checked though he wasn't on board.

    There are many points in his article relevant to MMT and the Democratic Party.

    The "how are you going to pay for it?" question is going to continue to derail the Democrats if they don't study up on MMT and be ready to answer that question with a straight, confident face: "with keystrokes on a computer at the Department of the U.S. Treasury."

    The MMT economic message is a political winner. Not only will it help energize progressive votes, but it will peal off conservative voters.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "with keystrokes on a computer at the Department of the U.S. Treasury."

    I hear that a lot. But what are the actual mechanics??

  • Independent
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    Dockadams Wrote: Interesting article. I was banned from a R & L blog/forum for my views of Reagan and Bush 41 & 43, among other things. I wrote that none of these so called republicans were not conservatives at all, and that they were really liberal-lights, like lite beer (if you can imagine).
    Dock, it is time someone opens his mouth about what is happening in this country. keeping the blinders on and paint it over does not work, ask Hitler.