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Trump Lies

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    It seems like everyone in Trump's orbit can's tell the truth either.

    Here's another example:

    STATE DEPT. READ OUT of a call between POMPEO and SERGI LAVROV Friday: "Secretary of State Michael R. Pompeo spoke today with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Secretary Pompeo discussed President Trump's recent decision to take decisive defensive action to protect U.S. personnel abroad by killing Qassem Soleimani in response to imminent threats to American lives. The Secretary made clear that the United States remains committed to de-escalation."

    -- RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY readout of the same call: "Sergey Lavrov stressed that targeted actions by a UN member state to eliminate officials of another UN member state, and on the territory of a third sovereign country without its knowledge grossly violate the principles of international law and deserve condemnation.


    According to the New York Times this morning, the assassination of Gen. Qassim Suleimani, Iran’s most powerful commander, was viewed as the most extreme response to recent Iranian-led violence in Iraq. They didn’t think he would take it. In the wars waged since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, Pentagon officials have often offered improbable options to presidents to make other possibilities appear more palatable.​

    Trump initially rejected the extreme option, but had a hissy fit after watching the embassy attack on television. 5 days later, he went for the extreme option. Pentagon officials "were stunned". Although the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said that that new information about unspecified plotting was “clear and unambiguous” , other officials have said that the intelligence about an imminent threat was thin and said that General Suleimani’s attack was not imminent because of communications the United States had between Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and General Suleimani showing that the ayatollah had not yet approved any plans by the general for an attack. The ayatollah, according to the communications, had asked General Suleimani to come to Tehran for further discussions at least a week before his death.

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    This morning, Trump issued a statement about the events in Iraq and Iran. Technically, the statement fits into our discussions about our embassy in Iraq, but it doesn't take long to realize that he is lying through his teeth again.

    Per Greg Sargent of the Washington Post this morning, Trump's deepening morass all started with one big lie.

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    I watched it on the internet. I get so annoyed watching him speak in his condescending voice repeating his many lies about Obama, the Iran nuclear agreement and the economic stuff....and blah, blah, blah. And the media are praising him for not deciding to reprise against Iran again. Yeah but what about additional sanctions that he announced...that form of reprisal can hit Iran harder than a missile. This guy is so transparent in his motives and pandering, but he gets away with it because he's always preaching to the "stupid".

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    This caught my eye from the WP fact check: "The assassination of al-Baghdadi, the ISIS of leader, could be expected to only temporarily disrupt the group, it argued. And because most ISIS fighters are from Syria and Iraq and have been carrying out insurgent attacks, they likely will have an easier time adapting to shifts in power, it said."

    Most ISIS fighters are from Syria and Iraq. They haven't left the countries. They are just laying low, ready for the next round of terror under a new leader. Who is funding them and what are their motives? Most of the ISIS fighters have been indoctrinated from a young age in Saudi Arabian sponsored and funded madrassas. Their variation of Sunni Salafism or Wahhabism doesn't mix well with Iranian Shia theological philosophy. Throw that in the powder keg of the Middle East.

    I wrote a blog article on ISIS and Salafism four years ago. I don't see that much has changed in the minds of those engaged in the carnage.

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    As has been noted by all credible sources and this forum, Trump is pathological. When he is communicating to anyone, and I mean ANYONE, he will be lying. He is incapable of telling the truth. Keep in mind, just because he is always lying, doesn't mean his statements don't also some include factual information, but facts are used to communicate one or more lies. Historically, he often uses facts to communicate nearly all his lies. Here is a symbolic Trump statement: "Lie, lie, fact, fact, lie, fact, lie, lie, lie, fact, lie, fact, fact, fact, lie, lie,..etc". Logically speaking, a statement can not be true if it includes false information. True & False = False.

    If Trump were an alcoholic, he would always have a drink in his hand, and be drunk 24x7. His base would be alcoholics and enablers. He would claim his has been sober for 30 years, when in fact he been never been sober as an adult. His base would believe he is an example of sober man, while rest of world sees him for what he is, an alcoholic that has never been sober in his life

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    When Iran struck the airbase in Iraq with missiles or rockets, Trump lied and told the world that the US suffered no casualties or injuries, as it turns out, the pentagon is now saying many soldiers were injured and evacuated to hospitals for critical care. Trump claimed that all was good, when all wasn't good. When will his base turn on him for lying?
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    His base is an "cult",so what do you expect?

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    This is getting surreal.

    Here's the headline from this morning's Washington Post:

    "Trump has made 18,000 false of misleading claims in 1170 days"

    The comment below the headline is even more telling:

    The coronavirus pandemic has led to an explosion of claims — and a new category in our ongoing tracking of the president’s difficulty with accurate facts.

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    NPR followed up the New York Times article with an investigation of how successful Trump has been in fulfilling the promises he made a month ago when he declared a national emergency to fight the spreading infections. It concluded that those promises were largely unfilled. Last night the White House responded to the story, saying that the president had taken “bold and decisive actions” to lead the fight against the coronavirus pandemic.

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    Trump's favorite four letter word is "hoax".

    In the first year of his presidency, Mr. Trump cried “Hoax!” 18 times; in 2018, 63 times; and in 2019, a whopping 345 times, as measured by, a database of the president’s tweets, speeches and interviews. The term became part of a feedback loop between the president and his preferred TV producers at Fox News, where his statements are largely treated as truth.

    I was not familiar with, bur here is the link to the website:

    You'll notice that he has sent out 52,200 tweets - which is why he does not have time to read.

    If you want to understand why a minority of American voters are unplugged from the fact-based news that the rest of the country depends on, just imagine being told multiple times a day that real news is a hoax. FOX is the most watched CABLE channel, but still trails the "main stream media" by a substantial amount.

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    The Washington Post has been tracking Trump's lies and mid-leading statements for more than 3 years, and they have tallied more than 20,000 statements to date.

    Last night, Trump was at a town hall meeting in Philadelphia, where he managed squeeze in another 24 lies.

    "Trump’s ABC News town hall: Four Pinocchios, over and over again"

    This story also highlights Trump's weird body language. When he is sitting, he looks like he is sitting on a toilet. When standing, he looks like he has a stick shoved up his ass.

    Neither one of those poses is presidential.