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    This could go under Republicans lies (redundant I know), Trump care, Obama care, etc. This was very interesting to me though. Pres. Trump is an evil man but intrinsically in touch with what messages resonate.

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    Obama didn't understand that everybody wants health insurance and the reason they didn't buy it was they didn't have any extra money. He ignored the 30 years of stagnant wages for the lower classes. The subsidies killed a lot of people. It spent money freely and then the accounting was done at the end of the year. Lots of people that couldn't afford it owed money and some even multiple thousands if they earned out of their subsidy group. All things that the stories of which spread and alienated Democratic Voters. Lots and lots of things wrong with the establishment Democratic Party and that is the purpose of this thread. Support for a new working class Democratic purpose.

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    Chet; politicians always have lied, even when they drafted the Constitution, which is full of stuff which is "heaven" for lawyers so they can manipulate it. Sorry to say it already started by killing Indians and stealing their land. Also we've never learned from all our wars; most of them started with lies. For the rest on this "island" they love to stay naive and stick with things which don't work or only benefit certain groups, such as the rich or in the past the landlords with slaves. No this has never has been an "holy" honest country; "religion" made it even worse. No wonder we get the Trump/Pence types to govern.
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    Obama understood what people needed with health insurance more than anyone on this website. But he also knew the limitations of his power and what he could achieve with the Congress that was dealt. So he got passed into legislation something much better than the status quo. He understood that asking for anything more could have defeated his efforts and we would be exactly where we were in 2008.

    And on wages no he didn't ignore the lower classes. Look what he did with the stimulus and other budgets...at least within his legal limits and ability to compromise. One can certainly understand the frustration of those liberal progressives who wanted Obama to be a kingly dictator but that's not how democracy works. They need a lesson in 101 Civics.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Obama didn't understand that everybody wants health insurance and the reason they didn't buy it was they didn't have any extra money. He ignored the 30 years of stagnant wages for the lower classes. The subsidies killed a lot of people. It spent money freely and then the accounting was done at the end of the year. Lots of people that couldn't afford it owed money and some even multiple thousands if they earned out of their subsidy group. All things that the stories of which spread and alienated Democratic Voters. Lots and lots of things wrong with the establishment Democratic Party and that is the purpose of this thread. Support for a new working class Democratic purpose.

    One Trump lie was that he told Americans that his healthcare would be better than Obamacare, to this day, he has depended upon the GOP to write legislation for a new healthcare plan to repeal and replace which failed numerous times, yet, he has not shown HIS version of HIS new healthcare program which would be better and cost less than Obamacare.

    If you're old enough to remember Ted Kennedy, he proposed healthcare for everyone in America. He was a true liberal and some might say very progressive.

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    Yes, remember the big lie that Obama had Trump tower wiretapped? The FBI said there was no evidence of that, and most recently, the DOJ just said the same thing. More proof that TRUMP LIES.
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    Dockadams Wrote: Yes, remember the big lie that Obama had Trump tower wiretapped? The FBI said there was no evidence of that, and most recently, the DOJ just said the same thing. More proof that TRUMP LIES.

    There are at least two things interesting about that.

    1) His base pretty much knows he lies, misleads, mixes facts with false information, etc... and they simply don't care. Their feeling is "Yeah, he lies, so what"

    2) Even when his base becomes aware that a statement he's made is false, they still believe it is true.

    So the irony is that they know he makes up shit, but they still believe his BS to be true knowing he made it up. In other words, if they like what they hear, then it is true, and always will be true no matter what. Trump World logic: Lies are still true even when when proven false. Mondo Bizarro. For his base, Obama is, without any doubt, an illegal alien that needs to be deported. There is no amount of evidence that will ever convince them otherwise. And there are truly people that believe the Earth is flat, and there is nothing anyone else can say\do that will change their mind - The Earth is 100% flat, no doubt about it!

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    wwjd Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: Yes, remember the big lie that Obama had Trump tower wiretapped? The FBI said there was no evidence of that, and most recently, the DOJ just said the same thing. More proof that TRUMP LIES.

    There are at least two things interesting about that.

    1) His base pretty much knows he lies, misleads, mixes facts with false information, etc... and they simply don't care. Their feeling is "Yeah, he lies, so what"

    2) Even when his base becomes aware that a statement he's made is false, they still believe it is true.

    So the irony is that they know he makes up shit, but they still believe his BS to be true knowing he made it up. In other words, if they like what they hear, then it is true, and always will be true no matter what. Trump World logic: Lies are still true even when when proven false. Mondo Bizarro. For his base, Obama is, without any doubt, an illegal alien that needs to be deported. There is no amount of evidence that will ever convince them otherwise. And there are truly people that believe the Earth is flat, and there is nothing anyone else can say\do that will change their mind - The Earth is 100% flat, no doubt about it!

    But yeah; the church tells people the most lies such as that snakes can talk and Jesus can walk on water; I guess then Houston would have been an great place for him; but he would miss the camels. Yes if you want to learn lying attend church; ask Pence.
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    The books describing him as the best thing ever will be written, printed, and sold. Millions will be deep in disbelief but many millions will buy it as well.

    He will be smiling on the cover.

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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Obama didn't understand that everybody wants health insurance and the reason they didn't buy it was they didn't have any extra money. He ignored the 30 years of stagnant wages for the lower classes. The subsidies killed a lot of people. It spent money freely and then the accounting was done at the end of the year. Lots of people that couldn't afford it owed money and some even multiple thousands if they earned out of their subsidy group. All things that the stories of which spread and alienated Democratic Voters. Lots and lots of things wrong with the establishment Democratic Party and that is the purpose of this thread. Support for a new working class Democratic purpose.

    One Trump lie was that he told Americans that his healthcare would be better than Obamacare, to this day, he has depended upon the GOP to write legislation for a new healthcare plan to repeal and replace which failed numerous times, yet, he has not shown HIS version of HIS new healthcare program which would be better and cost less than Obamacare.

    If you're old enough to remember Ted Kennedy, he proposed healthcare for everyone in America. He was a true liberal and some might say very progressive.

    Pretty good Dockadams. I worked in the coal mines at that time and the UMWA had 100% health care for everybody in the family and the miner's widow continued with 100% healthcare and her husband's pension until her death. My mother died four years ago. She was in a nursing home and she required special care to the day she died. All paid for by the UMWA through the 1950 Pension Fund. Everything is out there to make life a good life for everybody but some people just can't stand the thought of people not suffering. The coal companies had no problem making a profit even paying some of the highest wages in the United States. I was an elected UMWA official and these guys with a new plan came around trying to get us to switch to their plan HMO. I voted to not allow them to present the plan to the Union. I don't remember my objections but it had something to do with rewarding healthy people and penalising unhealthy people. If it would have benefited the membership I would have been all for it.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Obama didn't understand that everybody wants health insurance and the reason they didn't buy it was they didn't have any extra money. He ignored the 30 years of stagnant wages for the lower classes. The subsidies killed a lot of people. It spent money freely and then the accounting was done at the end of the year. Lots of people that couldn't afford it owed money and some even multiple thousands if they earned out of their subsidy group. All things that the stories of which spread and alienated Democratic Voters. Lots and lots of things wrong with the establishment Democratic Party and that is the purpose of this thread. Support for a new working class Democratic purpose.

    One Trump lie was that he told Americans that his healthcare would be better than Obamacare, to this day, he has depended upon the GOP to write legislation for a new healthcare plan to repeal and replace which failed numerous times, yet, he has not shown HIS version of HIS new healthcare program which would be better and cost less than Obamacare.

    If you're old enough to remember Ted Kennedy, he proposed healthcare for everyone in America. He was a true liberal and some might say very progressive.

    Pretty good Dockadams. I worked in the coal mines at that time and the UMWA had 100% health care for everybody in the family and the miner's widow continued with 100% healthcare and her husband's pension until her death. My mother died four years ago. She was in a nursing home and she required special care to the day she died. All paid for by the UMWA through the 1950 Pension Fund. Everything is out there to make life a good life for everybody but some people just can't stand the thought of people not suffering. The coal companies had no problem making a profit even paying some of the highest wages in the United States. I was an elected UMWA official and these guys with a new plan came around trying to get us to switch to their plan HMO. I voted to not allow them to present the plan to the Union. I don't remember my objections but it had something to do with rewarding healthy people and penalising unhealthy people. If it would have benefited the membership I would have been all for it.
    It gets tougher everyday too Chet, people have to keep fighting for what is right. At the time my Grandfather died of black lung, I don't believe my grandma received anything because back then, unions weren't even in the scope of a coal miners mind, they were just glad to have a job, to put food on the table.
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    Religion is a lie. It's all a myth. We are taught this fairytale all our lives live by it . We dare not deny it lest we offend deeply held beliefs . It's quite a thing. It is unique to our speciese so far as I can tell.

    So it's all fake. Our fake world. Where war is normal, killing people is everyday business.

    Now we have good fellows occupying our White House and it looks like the kremlin owns our congress .

    They killed our president , they railroaded Carter by colluding with terrorists in Iran , then Reagon pardoned 231 criminals all indicted under his crime rule. And no one cared. They blew up the towers to begin perpetual war and no one cares.

    Sure we need fake religions what the hell else do we have ?

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    Maindawg Wrote:

    Religion is a lie. It's all a myth. We are taught this fairytale all our lives live by it . We dare not deny it lest we offend deeply held beliefs . It's quite a thing. It is unique to our speciese so far as I can tell.

    So it's all fake. Our fake world. Where war is normal, killing people is everyday business.

    Now we have good fellows occupying our White House and it looks like the kremlin owns our congress .

    They killed our president , they railroaded Carter by colluding with terrorists in Iran , then Reagon pardoned 231 criminals all indicted under his crime rule. And no one cared. They blew up the towers to begin perpetual war and no one cares.

    Sure we need fake religions what the hell else do we have ?

    Yes religion is the curse of humanity; billions of people have been killed because of it. Nothing of religion has ever been proven; the universe knows of no religion, it just continues as always and does not care about what microscopic humans do, think or believe; it even continues after humans have destroyed their own planet as well the human race. You might as well join the NRA, the "church" for gun owners. Humans created religion for the fear of the unknown; but yeah it did not help. I think people should fear their own kind, not "ghosts"

    Sorry to deviate from the subject: but religion is the biggest lie of them all.

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    TJ Wrote:

    The books describing him as the best thing ever will be written, printed, and sold. Millions will be deep in disbelief but many millions will buy it as well.

    He will be smiling on the cover.

    If Donald has one thing - it's a passionate base who will follow his lead on any and everything. As he said during the campaign, he can shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and not lose a vote.
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    TJ Wrote:

    The books describing him as the best thing ever will be written, printed, and sold. Millions will be deep in disbelief but many millions will buy it as well.

    He will be smiling on the cover.

    Yes, I can see it now, Trump smiling on the cover of Bizzaro Politician magazine monthly.