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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: No. "In total, Van Dyke shot McDonald 16 times in 14–15 seconds, expending the maximum capacity of his 9mm semi-automatic firearm."
    Do you have a 15 round magazine?

    Chicago cops do.

    BTW, last week, Laquan McDonald was on trial, by Van Dyke's defense team. It was stereotypical of what white lawyers do when a white cop kills a black person.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: No. "In total, Van Dyke shot McDonald 16 times in 14–15 seconds, expending the maximum capacity of his 9mm semi-automatic firearm."
    Do you have a 15 round magazine?

    Chicago cops do.

    BTW, last week, Laquan McDonald was on trial, by Van Dyke's defense team. It was stereotypical of what white lawyers do when a white cop kills a black person.

    I wasn't asking you specifically if you had a fifteen round magazine. I was using "you" in the cumulative form meaning are 15 round magazines a standard in law enforcement. I was aware of 10 round magazines but subjectively questioned 15 round magazine. I had researched and verified that 15 round magazines are available. The magazine fits in the gun without extending past the gun. The bullets are stacked staggered in two separate side by side rows. The Glock 19 comes standard with 15 round magazines with options to 33 round magazines. The 33 round magazine sticks out the length of a 18 round magazine.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: No. "In total, Van Dyke shot McDonald 16 times in 14–15 seconds, expending the maximum capacity of his 9mm semi-automatic firearm."
    Do you have a 15 round magazine?

    Chicago cops do.

    BTW, last week, Laquan McDonald was on trial, by Van Dyke's defense team. It was stereotypical of what white lawyers do when a white cop kills a black person.

    I wasn't asking you specifically if you had a fifteen round magazine. I was using "you" in the cumulative form meaning are 15 round magazines a standard in law enforcement. I was aware of 10 round magazines but subjectively questioned 15 round magazine. I had researched and verified that 15 round magazines are available. The magazine fits in the gun without extending past the gun. The bullets are stacked staggered in two separate side by side rows. The Glock 19 comes standard with 15 round magazines with options to 33 round magazines. The 33 round magazine sticks out the length of a 18 round magazine.

    I would venture to say you could probably obtain or make any size magazine for any semi auto weapon if you wanted or needed to. According to official reports, Van Dyke had a 15 round magazine which he emptied into Laquan McDonald, he seemed really intent in making sure he killed the youth.

    I didn't do any research on magazines or guns, I'm only a little bit familiar with a Colt 45 govt. issue because I owned one when I was in the military in Alaska. I used to bring it along whenever me and my friends went fishing/camping. I also owned a Marlin 30-30 which I carried on a strap when hiking through the woods. My friends carried 41 & 44 mags in case of running into bears or mad moose. One friend had a 12 gauge pump which he loaded with slugs and ooo buck shot for stopping power. I am not at all familiar with Glock or any other type of semi auto pistols. I once owned a foreign made 22 semi auto which was a POS, it looked like a Lugar but was not a Luger. I never really liked the Marlin either, it would pinch your finger if you didn't pay close attention when jacking it. The nicest firearm I ever owned was a Ruger M77 30-06 bolt action, I could hit a 9" paper plate at 150 yds. using a scope. I also owned a Ruger .357 mag, it was relatively cheap to target practice with using 38 cal. bullets.

    I got rid of all my guns when I came back to the lower 48 because there wasn't any need to own them. Whenever I see someone packing a gun in my local Walmart store, I usually will leave their premises.

    I think that Van Dyke could have stopped Laquan by using a taser or by using pepper spray, Laquan had a knife (3" blade) folded up when he was assassinated.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I shot thousands of 45 caliber pistol rounds when stationed in Iceland. The Navy alotted 50 rounds per year per sailor for practise. Nobody used the allotment and there were millions of rounds in surplus. The year I was there for lack of anything else to do I spent my spare time at the range. I probably fired a hundred thousand rounds. I can tell you this for a fact. For the officer to put fifteen rounds in that victim in that short time, all that was on his mind was concentrating on hitting that target. He had to be totally calm and focused. A person that started

    shooting thinking his life was in danger would have a hard time hitting the target 15 times out of 15 shots fired.

    Not impossible but under those conditions and time frame just on the very edge of impossible

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    I shot thousands of 45 caliber pistol rounds when stationed in Iceland. The Navy alotted 50 rounds per year per sailor for practise. Nobody used the allotment and there were millions of rounds in surplus. The year I was there for lack of anything else to do I spent my spare time at the range. I probably fired a hundred thousand rounds. I can tell you this for a fact. For the officer to put fifteen rounds in that victim in that short time, all that was on his mind was concentrating on hitting that target. He had to be totally calm and focused. A person that started

    shooting thinking his life was in danger would have a hard time hitting the target 15 times out of 15 shots fired.

    Not impossible but under those conditions and time frame just on the very edge of impossible

    You were in luck, we all had to pay for our ammo, it was relatively inexpensive back in those days, compared to today's prices. Unless of course you were a AP, then you would have been able to do what you did. BTW, duty sections were very tribal at Eielson, we CE guys never hung out with the AP's, probably because most of us smoked Maryjane.

    Anyway, back to thread, believe it or not, several cops were charged with trying to cover up the events of killing Laquan.

    "7 Chicago Officers Face Firing Over Laquan McDonald Cover-Up"

    nytimes.com/2016/08/19/us/laquan-mcdona...

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "probably because most of us smoked Maryjane."

    When I had sea duty after work hours I would say a majority of short timers were stoned and career designated were drunk.

  • Center Left
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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: No. "In total, Van Dyke shot McDonald 16 times in 14–15 seconds, expending the maximum capacity of his 9mm semi-automatic firearm."
    Do you have a 15 round magazine?

    Chicago cops do.

    BTW, last week, Laquan McDonald was on trial, by Van Dyke's defense team. It was stereotypical of what white lawyers do when a white cop kills a black person.

    Guilty. Justice is happening.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: No. "In total, Van Dyke shot McDonald 16 times in 14–15 seconds, expending the maximum capacity of his 9mm semi-automatic firearm."
    Do you have a 15 round magazine?

    Chicago cops do.

    BTW, last week, Laquan McDonald was on trial, by Van Dyke's defense team. It was stereotypical of what white lawyers do when a white cop kills a black person.

    Guilty. Justice is happening.
    It's but one small victory, huge for Laquan's family and friends, but the Illinois FOP is going to push the appeal process and ask for a change of venue, that would mean that Vandyke still might be set free in the future if acquitted in the appeal.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    They moved the murderer to another detention facility, authorities must be afraid someone is going to exact revenge on him.
  • Liberal Democrat
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