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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: No improvement in race relations in 1/2 a century.

    It's interesting that you chose a half of a century because the 50th anniversary of RFK's assassination is in ten days.

    I'm in no way saying that race relations are even remotely close to where they should be, but it's imperative to know that they most certainly are far better than they were at the zenith of the civil rights movement.

    The 1960's saw a President assassinated; two civil rights leaders assassinated; a Presidential candidate (that very likely would have won the Presidency) assassinated; and countless more lynchings, bombings, and murders of innocent black people that were swept under the rug and forgotten about. If the person who committed the murder was actually brought to trial, they were almost certainly tried by an all-white jury and acquitted mere minutes into deliberations.

    This is our history and it's a history we should never, ever forget. I agree with you 100% that race relations in America are far from where they need to be, but we can never forget the terror this country inflicted on people of color for centuries. Even worse, we can never compare the two eras as equals.

    It's a tragedy that black people are still harassed, stigmatized, looked at as "the enemy," and disproportionately incarcerated compared to other races, but that doesn't mean that everything is the same as it was during the Jim Crow era.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I see all the growing abuse in arrests as a growing resentment in the white working class. In the cases involving black officers I feel they are disillusioned by lack of progress in wages and standard of living. In the lower incomes I am associated with I know the racial resentment is growing. That is a small group and I may be more sensitive but I feel race relations are deteriorating.

    BTW I know several low income Trump supporters. They are not doing any better under Trump and In spite of that and all the Trump lies they are still hard core Trump supporters .

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "It's a tragedy that black people are still harassed, stigmatized, looked at as "the enemy," and disproportionately incarcerated compared to other races, but that doesn't mean that everything is the same as it was during the Jim Crow era."

    What advances black people got is resented by a lot of people. I think that contributes to the exaggerated treatment. There are several instances that come to mind where I have seen subdued people getting kicked and especially remember unnecessary forearm pressure pushing heads into concrete sidewalks . There is a lot of hate.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: What advances black people got is resented by a lot of people. I think that contributes to the exaggerated treatment. There are several instances that come to mind where I have seen subdued people getting kicked and especially remember unnecessary forearm pressure pushing heads into concrete sidewalks . There is a lot of hate.

    It’s resented by a lot of old white people who grew up being told they are superior to people of color and now are angry that “their country” is changing.

    However, that doesn’t mean things are as bad as they were when policiticans and civil rights leaders were being assassinated left and right and black people were being slaughtered with impunity.

  • Center Left
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    I guess arrested and convicted at a horrible rate based 99% on race alone on top of harassed and neglected is better than regular hangings and public beatings. See, we put less shit on your shit sandwich. Things are improved. My goodness.... The lunatics are running the asylum. Shape shifting the message or lack thereof. The silence by those "not in the fall out" is the glowing endorsement. The silence is fertilizer for the crop of hate. Really disgusted in what you're doing but I will shut up because my life is comfortable. Karma has many forms and you reap what you sow.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: What advances black people got is resented by a lot of people. I think that contributes to the exaggerated treatment. There are several instances that come to mind where I have seen subdued people getting kicked and especially remember unnecessary forearm pressure pushing heads into concrete sidewalks . There is a lot of hate.

    It’s resented by a lot of old white people who grew up being told they are superior to people of color and now are angry that “their country” is changing.

    However, that doesn’t mean things are as bad as they were when policiticans and civil rights leaders were being assassinated left and right and black people were being slaughtered with impunity.

    I agree that obvious signs of racism have diminished. But I think racial tensions and racist feelings are there and repressed and now are growing in response to multiple influences . These abusive situations just don't happen for no reason.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I agree that obvious signs of racism have diminished. But I think racial tensions and racist feelings are there and repressed and now are growing in response to multiple influences . These abusive situations just don't happen for no reason.

    Oh, I'm well aware there are a whole lot of terrible people in this country who to this day continue to believe they are better than someone else because of the color of their skin. Those people turned out in droves for Donald and we are living with the repercussions of their evil hatred for the next two plus years at a minimum.

    My point was that those people, while still a powerful bloc, have nowhere near as much power as they did at the height of the Jim Crow era. Their voices can be amplified because of technology, but that doesn't mean they are as powerful as they were when we had Black Codes, literacy tests, and poll taxes.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: I guess arrested and convicted at a horrible rate based 99% on race alone on top of harassed and neglected is better than regular hangings and public beatings. See, we put less shit on your shit sandwich. Things are improved. My goodness.... The lunatics are running the asylum. Shape shifting the message or lack thereof. The silence by those "not in the fall out" is the glowing endorsement. The silence is fertilizer for the crop of hate. Really disgusted in what you're doing but I will shut up because my life is comfortable. Karma has many forms and you reap what you sow.

    I am painfully aware of the lasting damage our country's racist past and present has put on black Americans. I witnessed it first hand on a daily basis working as a social worker in inner city Chicago. I consoled youth after they were harassed by police for walking while black and I visited countless homes that would make you think you were in a third world slum and not in the richest country in the world.

    I am painfully aware of the way our criminal justice system has allowed police to murder black men with impunity and that we have the most prisoners in the entire world. (We can thank Presidents and leaders of both parties for that.)

    I am painfully aware of the effect redlining, a program that literally carved out black neighborhoods in red so they could not receive ANY government assistance from FDR's "New Deal," had on black peoples ability to get a mortgage at the height of the Great Depression. That one decision cemented black neighborhoods to their 2nd (hell, more like 3rd) class status to this day.

    I am also pleasantly aware that the Twenty-Fourth Amendment outlawed poll taxes and literacy tests; that lynchings of black men are no longer tried by all white male juries; and that black Americans no longer have to shit on a different toilet, drink from a different fountain, sit at the back of the bus, be refused a hotel room, or be denied food at a restaurant.

    We had an apartheid government 50 years ago, but that is no longer the case. Are things perfect? Hell no. Not even close. We have a very, very long way to go, but things are most definitely better than they were 50 years ago.

  • Center Left
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    This thread was mostly about injustice, violence and abuses of power / authority.

    Diamonds and gold...

    I just started watching a television show called Africa's Great Civilizations with Dr. Henry Louis Gates Jr..

    I am in the tribe with much to learn. I have found the show to be fascinating and informative.

    My recommendation was not worthy of a new thread. Thank you for a side step allowance.

    Public broadcasting is important.

  • Democrat
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    One does not have to be black to encounter police abuses, Reality Winner , a young white woman, got an up close and personal view of what Fascism looks like when 11 FBI bullies showed up at her door and dragged her into a small bedroom, searched her home and kept her in that bedroom for hours while questioning and bulling her.

    Reality Winner has been accused of giving out a page of classified INFO and now she is being held without bail and classified as a terrorist.

    Reality Winner is one of many truth tellers who want to inform the American people about the criminal activities going on in their government and the people have a right to know what the hell their government is doing and one of the main traits of a Fascist Government is they will harass and prosecute truth tellers.

  • Independent
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    Yes this government is hiding a lot; what are they doing with teenage "girls" taken from the border and brought to New York in a very secret way? I smell a rat! How sick can you get ? I call this kidnapping; did someone get a "deal"?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    progressiveconnie Wrote:

    One does not have to be black to encounter police abuses, Reality Winner , a young white woman, got an up close and personal view of what Fascism looks like when 11 FBI bullies showed up at her door and dragged her into a small bedroom, searched her home and kept her in that bedroom for hours while questioning and bulling her.

    Reality Winner has been accused of giving out a page of classified INFO and now she is being held without bail and classified as a terrorist.

    Reality Winner is one of many truth tellers who want to inform the American people about the criminal activities going on in their government and the people have a right to know what the hell their government is doing and one of the main traits of a Fascist Government is they will harass and prosecute truth tellers.

    The FBI can be lawless at times, MLK was watched by the FBI and ordered by Hoover to do so.

    Didn't Reality Winner steal secret government documents? That's a no no.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: It's crap like this that makes me amazed that we don't have 80% more civil unrest. We have pushed the envelope and it makes me absolutely ashamed of our lack of justice. It's crazy. I am sorry that the privileged white class has not sought fairness.

    There could be civil unrest today in Chicago. Activists (anti-violence protest) are planning to shut down Lake Shore Drive (LSD) and march up to Wrigley Field (home of the Chicago Cubs baseball team) starting at 4:00 p.m., and going into the evening hours when many people will be commuting (rush hour traffic) and the start of a ball game between the Cubs & Padres at 7:05 p.m..

    The organizer of the march refused to negotiate with Chicago's mayor and the police department, I suspect he'll be the first one arrested. Hopefully, this will have a peaceful ending without rioting. Business owners are already cringing because their livelihood will be affected.

    nbcchicago.com/news/local/lake-shore-dr...

  • Center Left
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    I am busy until later but I look forward to a good summary on the evening news. This should be a topic around the coffee machine at most businesses. Sadly, too many say Yes it's bad but I am unaffected so it's not as important.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    One grievanve is "Lack of economic investment in predominately African-American communities."

    Peace through prosperity. Create prosperity and good paying jobs and violence will diminish.