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Ossoff election would be a nice start

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  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Red state Georgia has an important election and both sides are spending bigger and hoping to garner some traction. It will be interesting to see how this one goes. Less than respectable campaigns are showing their typical colors.

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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    I read as well that just for this election unheard millions are being spent. And people still call this "honest??? It is time all this corruption stops; voting should have nothing at all to do with "money". Why don't copy Europe where only a limited amount is allowed. That is the reason you don't get "brains" in the government, but promote only "greed" and "corruption"

    Sorry, voting here is an total disaster because of the "money" and voter intimidation by all means.

  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Latest polls story I found suggest the Dem is ahead but by less than 2%. Winning a "Red state" would be significant. I hope for the best.

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Toast. All that money down the drain could have fed and housed a lot of needy people. Republicons still in charge, what happened to all the liberals and progressives?
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Democrats lost. Get comfortable and savor it.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Again I will keep saying; voting in which only corruption and money counts as well dumb ass people, will bring this country further to the cliff. Congratulations America!
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Yes this is an great start for sure; lost both GA and SC seats. The more I look at this picture the more I fear that the Dem's are just window dressing from now on. Looking at the total picture of our government then I fear things can only get worse for normal thinking people. Jared however keeps saying that nothing is wrong with this country. Just as an example have you ever seen in any civil country in which all the main positions need lawyers? Trump 2, Pence 1, Sessions 1, Mueller 11, Kushner 2, others will follow I bet. But yeah we are getting an fantastic secret healthcare bill; that will work!! Furthermore it shows with these elections that the GOP "brainwashing" sticks like glue and people here find all of the idiotic things of Trump and his cronies "the new normal"

    The more I see the total picture of this country and its naive leaders the more negative I get; no wonder. But yeah our fantastic Constitution will protect us from the devil and his cronies. Welcome in our own created "banana republic" ; start waving the Bannon designed swastika flag. Sieg Heil

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Democrats have now lost all four of the special elections, but perhaps understandingly so as these were all Republican strongholds. The finger pointing will of course continue, and as I browse the various analyses, perhaps one of the best is in Vox by Matthew Yglesias.

    Jon Ossoff’s Georgia special election loss shows Democrats could use a substantive agenda

    Yglesias says that Ossoff lost over nonsense. "Ossoff, like so many losing Democratic candidates over the years, was brought down fundamentally by arguments grounded in identity politics."

    ""Karen Handel didn’t argue that the Republican Party’s health care bill is a good idea (it’s very unpopular) or that tax cuts for millionaires should be the country’s top economic priority (another policy that polls dismally). Instead, her campaign and its allies buried Ossoff under a pile of what basically amounts to nonsense — stuff about Kathy Griffin, stuff about Samuel L. Jackson, stuff about his home being just over the district line, stuff about him having raised money from out of state — lumped together under the broad heading that he’s an “outsider.”

    "Much of this was unfair or ridiculous. And the stuff that wasn’t unfair — like the location of his home — is honestly pretty silly. None of this has anything to do with the lives of actual people living in the suburbs of Atlanta or anywhere else."

    I should add Nancy Pelosi to the above list...one of Republican's (and Berniecrats) favorite targets and scapegoats.

    In other words, Handel played to the emotions and moral values of the Republicans, many of them anti-Trump. And they voted with their tribes in large numbers. It's basically the same strategy that got Greg Gianforte a win in Montana over an inexperienced country folk singer. It worked in Montana and it worked in Georgia.

    However, Yglesias also notes the ongoing argument between the Bernie and Hillary camps. We still do not have a message of unity that resonates. Taking the health care debate, for example, we are still all over the place with respect to ideas, some of them small tweaks and some total socialized health care with tax payers footing the bill for everyone's insurance.

    We need to take back the messaging...but just what message? Should the Democrats go all in on Bernie's ideological Our Revolution? Or rather should we build on the Obama accomplishments with a Hillary type of well researched and thought out agenda?

    We can't do both and expect to win these elections.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Yes Schmidt, well said. However do you see an solution which will work in the present or future "election" nightmare of "money" and "brainless" indoctrinated people??? ( especially in the "slaves" States, rustbelt States, Bible belt States, coal belt States, Snowbird States, etc.) Better get an "lawyer"!! ( that is the new "fashion")
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I think the money part of it is far overrated. The media likes to keep track of how much money has been raised and spent because they are the primary beneficiaries of the largess of campaign spending. They want to make it a contest on money with candidates blanketing the airways with ads. However, as Trump's win in 2016 shows, by using the resources of such firms as Cambridge Analytica to "microtarget" specific audiences based on data mining (e.g. Facebook) they can spend considerably less money with much better results.

    The mainstream media avoid talking about Cambridge Analytica because their methods will hit the media's profits big time.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I think the money part of it is far overrated. The media likes to keep track of how much money has been raised and spent because they are the primary beneficiaries of the largess of campaign spending. They want to make it a contest on money with candidates blanketing the airways with ads. However, as Trump's win in 2016 shows, by using the resources of such firms as Cambridge Analytica to "microtarget" specific audiences based on data mining (e.g. Facebook) they can spend considerably less money with much better results.

    The mainstream media avoid talking about Cambridge Analytica because their methods will hit the media's profits big time.

    Sure Schmidt; I mentioned specific States; indeed money plays an role, but as I said "indoctrinated stupidity" as well, fed by the churches and Fox news etc.