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  • Democrat
    Julian, CA
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    After years and millions of tax dollars spent on the US Congressional Investigations into the CIA war crimes committed under the Bush/Cheney administration this damning indictment of the CIA's criminal activities will be conveniently disappeared into that corrupt foggy bottom of that Oligarchic sewer for so called national security reasons and all those war criminals and human rights abusers in the Bush/Cheney administration will get away with the most serious crimes one can commit.

    These US Congressional Investigations costing millions are a total waste of time and tax money since discovered criminal activities are never prosecuted by that Department of Obstruction of Justice.

  • Independent
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    Connie all I can say: "L'histoire ce repette" yes even right now.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I'm really confused. What in the world are you talking about?

    Are you talking about the Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture and the fact that the Trump Administration has decided to not make it available to the public, or are you talking about something else?


    I live in a world where definitions matter. We are not an oligarchy, no matter how many threads you write insisting that we are. That's because I actually understand the definition of oligarchy. I really (seriously...REALLY) encourage you to open up a dictionary and do the same.

    Anger and willful ignorance get you nowhere in life. Take a deep breath. Inhale and then exhale. Everything is going to be ok.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    I don't know if this is real but was published:

    paul-ryan-paid-20-million-trump

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Again deviating off topic but I'll elaborate...

    The $10 million donated each by Sheldon Adelson and his wife Miriam ($20 million total) went to the Congressional Leadership fund and not directly into Paul Ryan's pockets as the impression that you might get from reading the article. The Congressional Leadership fund supports Republican candidates all over the USA, and they claim a high success rate. From their website:

    "In 2016, CLF raised over four times its fundraising total of any previous cycle. CLF entered October with a $33.3 million war chest. Our return on investment is extraordinary: 29 wins, 3 losses."

    That suggests money spread over 32 candidates. Paul Ryan is probably just one voice in determining how the money will be spent.

    The CLF is now solidly behind Karen Handel in the Georgia 6th District race.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Again deviating off topic but I'll elaborate...

    The $10 million donated each by Sheldon Adelson and his wife Miriam ($20 million total) went to the Congressional Leadership fund and not directly into Paul Ryan's pockets as the impression that you might get from reading the article. The Congressional Leadership fund supports Republican candidates all over the USA, and they claim a high success rate. From their website:

    "In 2016, CLF raised over four times its fundraising total of any previous cycle. CLF entered October with a $33.3 million war chest. Our return on investment is extraordinary: 29 wins, 3 losses."

    That suggests money spread over 32 candidates. Paul Ryan is probably just one voice in determining how the money will be spent.

    The CLF is now solidly behind Karen Handel in the Georgia 6th District race.

    To deviate from the topic again; thus you don't think this country is not totally corrupt by doing this?? Sure the Constitution helps a lot!! Don't let me die laughing.
  • Center Left
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Again deviating off topic but I'll elaborate...

    The $10 million donated each by Sheldon Adelson and his wife Miriam ($20 million total) went to the Congressional Leadership fund and not directly into Paul Ryan's pockets as the impression that you might get from reading the article. The Congressional Leadership fund supports Republican candidates all over the USA, and they claim a high success rate. From their website:

    "In 2016, CLF raised over four times its fundraising total of any previous cycle. CLF entered October with a $33.3 million war chest. Our return on investment is extraordinary: 29 wins, 3 losses."

    That suggests money spread over 32 candidates. Paul Ryan is probably just one voice in determining how the money will be spent.

    The CLF is now solidly behind Karen Handel in the Georgia 6th District race.

    I had no idea this was that prevalent. We only read what's on the surface. Corrupt money is a serious issue. Sorry to continue off topic but this is shocking bit of info to me. Makes me think gov't ethics rules and violations should be focused on.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Again it gets back to the Supreme Court's rulings, not only the Citizens United case, but several others that chipped away at campaign finance laws so that we arrived where we are today. The lesson that has not been learned by many Democrats who opt out of our democracy is that when presidents select Supreme Court justices, they are appointments for life. There are a multitude of 5-4 SCOTUS decisions on campaign financing that benefit the rich and corporations.

    In 20:20 hindsight, we can look at the 2000 and 2004 elections of George Bush and his Supreme Court picks of Samuel Alito and John Roberts, and lament what could have been if Al Gore in 2000 or John Kerry in 2004 was elected. Those are two votes that would have reversed the 5-4 for decisions to 3-6 against.

    Now we also have Neil Gorsuch for the next 30 years as well. Sheesh.

    Sorry, I continue off topic.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Oh come on, Trump said he wanted to keep Comey honest pertaining to his false statement about white house tapes, this guy want's to keep someone honest? Mr. I AM A F*CKING LIAR himself want's to keep people honest? Gimme' a break man.

    Those Carrier air conditioner jobs he was supposed to save? they're leaving town anyway.

    Ford jobs are leaving town.

    Oh Donald, where are you when America is in need? you lying sack of garbage!

  • Democrat
    Julian, CA
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    I believe the only way the American people will regain their Republic is to totally abolish the U.S. Government since all 3 Branches have been involved in the destruction of this Republic and turning it into a warmongering, corrupt, lawless Oligarchy.

    But until then I do think that my state of California should secede from this criminally dysfunctional government and become a Republic in its own right since that criminally dysfunctional government in Washington DC will ignore California's laws and be very willing to turn the state into a toxic waste dump.

  • Independent
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    Yes regardless of what Jared says, indeed all three branches of government are corrupt one way or another.

    Indeed as I said in one of my threats; California is just about the only State where some normalcy exist and development takes place in high tech industry. Indeed they should secede.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Yes regardless of what Jared says, indeed all three branches of government are corrupt one way or another.

    So how do you suggest we go about abolishing all three branches of government? The only entity that could do that is the military you love to hate. Or do you honestly think that a bunch of people with rifles and Kevlar vests will band together and take down a government that has tanks, fighter jets, and thousands of nuclear weapons at its disposal?

    And let's say that this band of people with rifles and Kevlar vests magically succeeds and takes down the entire Federal government. Then what? Do you believe that everything will be peaches and cream and this country of 320 million people will just magically start getting along if we hit the reset button and started from scratch?

    If so then I encourage you to get your head checked out.

    Dutch Wrote: Indeed as I said in one of my threats; California is just about the only State where some normalcy exist and development takes place in high tech industry. Indeed they should secede.

    There are plenty of states where normalcy exists. I'd say it's pretty normal in Oregon and Washington. It's also normal in every state I've traveled to. I'll admit I haven't been to Mississippi and Alabama, but even deeply red states are pretty normal if you actually go visit them and talk with the average people living there.

    A nearby example for me is Idaho. That state is as Republican as it gets, but I met some awesome people while traveling through the state on my way to Yellowstone last year. We may not have voted for the same Presidential candidate, but that doesn't mean they are terrible people.


    I know how you like to make fun of me for reading books and all that jazz, but books taught me what happened the last time a state seceded from the union. If you aren't aware of what happened, I encourage you to read up on the time period between December 20, 1860 and May 9, 1865.

    Here's a hint - the federal government didn't take kindly to states seceding from the union and over 620,000 people lost their lives in the conflict. And that was when the entire United States only had 31,443,321 people. California alone has over 39 million people today. You do the math of how many people might die if California tries to secede.

    But who am I kiddin? Let's just dig our heads in the sand and believe that the Federal government would just sit idly by while the most populous (former) state begins to build up its own army and navy to protect its newfound borders. Or do you think they will be a neutral country that doesn't need to protect itself against the country they voted to leave?

    Oh, and what foreign countries do you think would sell the weapons and ammunition the Free State of California will need to protect itself against the most powerful military on earth? Just a reminder that the country they voted to leave has thousands of nuclear weapons and a massive military industrial complex at its disposal...Good luck, California!!

  • Independent
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    A farmer looks a pile of manure and sees's fertilizer that he can use or sell. A person from the city looks at the same pile, and see's and smells nothing but worthless shit. Who's perception is more valid?
  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Yes regardless of what Jared says, indeed all three branches of government are corrupt one way or another.

    So how do you suggest we go about abolishing all three branches of government? The only entity that could do that is the military you love to hate. Or do you honestly think that a bunch of people with rifles and Kevlar vests will band together and take down a government that has tanks, fighter jets, and thousands of nuclear weapons at its disposal?

    And let's say that this band of people with rifles and Kevlar vests magically succeeds and takes down the entire Federal government. Then what? Do you believe that everything will be peaches and cream and this country of 320 million people will just magically start getting along if we hit the reset button and started from scratch?

    If so then I encourage you to get your head checked out.

    Dutch Wrote: Indeed as I said in one of my threats; California is just about the only State where some normalcy exist and development takes place in high tech industry. Indeed they should secede.

    There are plenty of states where normalcy exists. I'd say it's pretty normal in Oregon and Washington. It's also normal in every state I've traveled to. I'll admit I haven't been to Mississippi and Alabama, but even deeply red states are pretty normal if you actually go visit them and talk with the average people living there.

    A nearby example for me is Idaho. That state is as Republican as it gets, but I met some awesome people while traveling through the state on my way to Yellowstone last year. We may not have voted for the same Presidential candidate, but that doesn't mean they are terrible people.


    I know how you like to make fun of me for reading books and all that jazz, but books taught me what happened the last time a state seceded from the union. If you aren't aware of what happened, I encourage you to read up on the time period between December 20, 1860 and May 9, 1865.

    Here's a hint - the federal government didn't take kindly to states seceding from the union and over 620,000 people lost their lives in the conflict. And that was when the entire United States only had 31,443,321 people. California alone has over 39 million people today. You do the math of how many people might die if California tries to secede.

    But who am I kiddin? Let's just dig our heads in the sand and believe that the Federal government would just sit idly by while the most populous (former) state begins to build up its own army and navy to protect its newfound borders. Or do you think they will be a neutral country that doesn't need to protect itself against the country they voted to leave?

    Oh, and what foreign countries do you think would sell the weapons and ammunition the Free State of California will need to protect itself against the most powerful military on earth? Just a reminder that the country they voted to leave has thousands of nuclear weapons and a massive military industrial complex at its disposal...Good luck, California!!

    Jared ,as I said many times to you; LEARN TO READ!!! I said nothing like your answer. I never said "abolish". All I said that all three branches are corrupt; prove otherwise. Not an long B.S. story . Related to CA, get real, they will stay in the Union,but generate more and more of their own systems and laws, so it will act and look like another country. They just use the federal government to get certain subsidies, for the rest they are mostly on their own and don't built up their own army etc. like you said. Get real. Please learn to read; I just replied to Connie who also meant it as an talking point. No one needs an awful long story to reply on explaining nonsense about CA. "Indeed they should secede"; does not mean they "could"!
  • Liberal Democrat
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    progressiveconnie Wrote:

    I believe the only way the American people will regain their Republic is to totally abolish the U.S. Government since all 3 Branches have been involved in the destruction of this Republic and turning it into a warmongering, corrupt, lawless Oligarchy.

    But until then I do think that my state of California should secede from this criminally dysfunctional government and become a Republic in its own right since that criminally dysfunctional government in Washington DC will ignore California's laws and be very willing to turn the state into a toxic waste dump.

    progressiveconnie -- Emotional responses based on anger and ignorance are what is driving much of the political discourse in this country. Engage that wonderful brain of yours in critical thinking and put aside the rampant anger. We already have a president who works more on emotion than intellect. We don't need to feed that dialogue with stupid anger filled responses from our citizens.