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Trump may fire Mueller (just because he can)

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  • Independent
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    Today, A few Trump spokespersons floated the idea of firing Mueller.

    nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rumor-trump-ma...

    Firing Mueller would send a powerful political message: "I'm president, don't fuck with me!"

    In a 3rd world country run by a dictatorship, it's the same same as ordering a top general to be executed to send a very clear message to the entire country that the leader is not afraid of executing people at the very top. In the US, Trump is limited to firing people, but it has the same political impact, cause others pull back and be more reserved.

    The media speculation is that Trump maybe just trolling (for now), and has no immediate plans to fire Mueller, but he may be throwing out the idea laying the ground work so that when Trump does fire Mueller, nobody is shocked like they were when he fired Comey. People may be upset, but not blindsided. Blindsides tend to cause an over-reaction, while a warning can greatly reduce negative response. The WH does not care if everyone is ticked off, as long as they are not motived to take further action.


    And if there is any genius to Trump's unpredictability, he keeps doing so much unacceptable crap, that people get accustomed to it as an everyday dysfunction, they (we) come to accept the lowing standards, so when they are served dog shit on a plate during dinner, they may complain about having dog shit for dinner, but they eat it anyway, while Trump has two scoops of ice cream.

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    nytimes.com/2017/06/12/us/politics/trum...

    And today while floating the idea of firing Mueller, Trump has all of his top staff in the same room, going around the room praising Trump. Starting with Pence

    Seriously?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    If he does fire Mueller, it'll make him really look like obstruction of justice, and really make him look the part, "guilty".
  • Independent
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    Dockadams Wrote: If he does fire Mueller, it'll make him really look like obstruction of justice, and really make him look the part, "guilty".
    Look at the "politics"; he wants to become an dictator; indeed that is the next step to gain more power. Maybe he gets a lot of "flak" but just carries on. He's an well trained "mob" figure, so he always gets his way regardless. Slowly but surely he will undo all the "checks" and "balances" piece by piece. Deceit and corruption work for him, because our great Constitution never anticipated a "mob" person like him to become President (due to stupid voting laws in that same Constitution), because at the time it was written, people were not as corrupt as today.
  • Center Left
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    Plus more time allows for more shredded documents, altered electronic communications and other forms of cover ups.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I think it would be a lot more difficult for Trump to actually do this, especially after Rod Rosenstein testified under oath that he won't fire Mueller.

    Trump could theoretically fire Rosenstein, but then that opens a huge can of worms since Jeff Sessions has (supposedly) recused himself from the Russian investigation and there would be no one left to actually fire Mueller because the President doesn't actually have the legal authority to fire a special counsel.

    While Donald is wholly unpredictable, I have a feeling that may be a bridge too far for Congressional Republicans and many powerful Senate Republicans have always come out publicly strongly encouraging Donald to not make that mistake.

  • Center Left
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    AG Sessions looks bad as I am just now watching some testimony. He gives simple answers but often doesn't appear to understand it all. Bad image that the AG seems confused and doesn't know if potus would want to use executive privilege.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Several news sources are reporting that Deputy White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said "President Donald Trump has the right to fire Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller, but doesn’t plan on it."

    Of course, both Sanders and Spicer do not have a good track record when it comes to predicting what Trump has said or what he might do. You can never be sure with Trump who acts spontaneously on occasions without consulting his aides. That may be an under statement.

  • Independent
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    Sorry to say, whatever Trump and his idiots do, it will only create an bigger mess. The whole Government will become dis-functional which ever way you look at it. McConnell is fixing "healthcare" in an "backroom" and will sneak it past the Dem's. I'm afraid Mueller will stay but will be curtailed by the GOP as well Trump by not cooperating with anything. If Mueller can't get hold of Trumps tax returns as well all the info of his loans etc. from Russia and the "whitewashing" of Russian money, then all of this is wasted effort and Trump wins. Mueller will be "railroaded" at every turn by Trump and his cronies for sure.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Trump now named in the Mueller investigation into obstructing justice. Good news, that's a step in the correct direction.
  • Independent
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    Dockadams Wrote: Trump now named in the Mueller investigation into obstructing justice. Good news, that's a step in the correct direction.
    I hope he can make it stick; Trump already "tweeted" about this, and that is just the start to "attack" it in the "mob" style.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: Several news sources are reporting that Deputy White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said "President Donald Trump has the right to fire Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller, but doesn’t plan on it."

    I'm not so sure that he actually does have the legal authority to fire Mueller and if he tries to then Congressional Democrats would surely file suit in Federal court immediately.

    What I'm reading is that Rod Rosenstein is the only person who could actually fire Mueller. Donald technically has the legal authority to fire Rosenstein for insubordination or any other thing he wants, but that opens up a whole new can of worms because whoever replaces Rosenstein would have to be approved by the Senate and I have a feeling you'd see more than a couple Republicans being concerned about the optics of rubber stamping another DOJ pick simply because Donald wants the investigation into his campaign shut down.

    Donald made a huge mistake in firing Comey and it's coming back to bite him square in the ass now.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Jared -- Yes you are correct that Trump cannot fire Comey himself. That responsibility lies with the Deputy Attorney General, Rosenstein, since Sessions has recused himself. If Rosenstein refuses and is fired or resigns, then the line of succession to carry out that act is outlined below by Jack Goldsmith (June 13, 2917) in the Lawfare website:

    "Succession in the Department is, to a point, outlined by statute: where the attorney general and deputy attorney general are unable, the associate attorney general “shall act” as attorney general. Otherwise the attorney general “may designate” the solicitor general and the assistant attorneys general, “in further order of succession,” to act as attorney general. That means it could go down the line until an assistant attorney general did not resign and instead carried out the President’s order. (Succession is complicated by the fact that, after Rosenstein, there are only two other confirmed officials in DOJ: Associate Attorney General Rachel Brand, and Acting Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division Dana Boente, who was previously confirmed to be the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. A tad more on this below.) If the officers after Brand also resign, then an executive order on DOJ succession recently promulgated by Trump would control. (This barely noticed executive order would potentially assume great significance if Trump fires Mueller.)"

    You can read more of the rather lengthy explanation at the link above.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Trump is calling on Sessions to end the (witch hunt) Mueller probe, hmmm, must be getting close to uncovering something bad, possibly Trump's skeletons, which most people keep in their closets. This is so (Nixonian)
  • Independent
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    Dockadams Wrote: Trump is calling on Sessions to end the (witch hunt) Mueller probe, hmmm, must be getting close to uncovering something bad, possibly Trump's skeletons, which most people keep in their closets. This is so (Nixonian)
    trump has his finger on trigger ready to fire, he is waiting for a misstep by Mueller's team. Once there is some excuse, he will do it. If for example, a judge would rule against Mueller in court, trump would likely use it as an excuse to say Mueller is out of control and trump had no other option to fire him.