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Dangerous tax cutting.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Cutting taxes destroys an economy. Taxes are money going to be spent. Cutting taxes cuts spending. A massive amount of spending removed from the economy causes unemployment, erratic pricing, loss of stabity and recession. Health care cuts remove incentives for drug research along with adding the same recessive response. There is no vocal opposition .
  • Center Left
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    The masses tax cuts aren't about running the country. It's about making those who are overflowing with comfort have much much more money. A recent example was the crazy mess that GW dumped onto us. If Mr. Obama didn't have that recent mess to eliminate, he could have had far more positive objectives. It will continue because politicians want to win and those television commercials aren't going to pay for themselves.

    I long for directional leadership and a way to stop this negative flooding. On that note I ask, what has your party done to help in the last 30 days, 60 days, ...... 180 days. Exactly, nothing. If our party was a restaurant they would no longer have my patronage.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Cutting taxes destroys an economy. Taxes are money going to be spent. Cutting taxes cuts spending. A massive amount of spending removed from the economy causes unemployment, erratic pricing, loss of stabity and recession. Health care cuts remove incentives for drug research along with adding the same recessive response. There is no vocal opposition .
    On the news last night, this tax cut is going to cost at least $820B, that's a B for Billions. No wonder Trump and the GOP are cutting social services, they have to make up for those losses. Wait till those repugs go back to their districts, they're going to get an earful from voters.
  • Center Left
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    I sadly disagree. The current American knows not what's going on. In their hands are their smart phone or television remote control and that's 24/7. We have been dumbed down to a pathetic state. Current thinking involves what is on television or some other mindless choice. Shooting for the votes of this sector sounds like a winning strategy to me.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    TJ -- I agree with you on your last post but would push back on you your first post that Democrats are lacking leadership. In Congress you see it in statesmen like Adam Schiff and Mark Warner influencing their respective committee's investigations of Russian meddling in our election. Democrats certainly have had their share of appearances on talk shows articulating well thought out positions on the health care legislation and the budget. In fact much of what I have learned about various pieces of legislation I have learned from members of Congress appearing on these shows explaining the nuances of the proposed legislation. Of course, we both know that Fox News viewers are getting an entirely different story.

    For a minority party I think they are doing the best job that they can, considering Republicans control everything.

    On your last point: "I ask, what has your party done to help in the last 30 days, 60 days, ...... 180 days. Exactly, nothing. If our party was a restaurant they would no longer have my patronage."

    I met many people who might echo your words as I canvassed neighborhoods and knocked on hundreds of doors. Some certainly had a lot to say about what they didn't like about government and I listened, but when I asked if they would consider volunteering and helping, I got a blank stare and excuses.

    I'll leave that thought with a speech you no doubt have heard excerpts from a hundred times:

    Historic Documents: "Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You"

    The party is only as good as the people who decide to become a part of it to make their voices heard. And good people in the party translates into good government if we can get them elected. It is happening at the grass root level as so many young energetic people are running for office now that the party can select from the best of them.

    My only reservation in that respect is that the two factions of the party have still not united. Bernie is still doing his thing giving his stump speech everywhere he goes, much the same as Trump is still campaigning giving his stump speech everywhere he goes.

    So many Americans are caught in the middle not knowing which direction to turn to. The people of Montana felt that way and went with Gianforte.

    I am not one of those Americans that believes we need to "throw all the bums out". And I certainly don't believe that just because a candidate for office has worked for a bank or a corporation or made some money in his or her life that somehow they don't pass the liberals' purity test. We need experienced politically savvy people if we are to go up against the big money ruthless Republicans funded by the likes of the Kochtopus.

    The Kochtopus

    The Kochtopus chews up and spits out inexperienced amateurs. It happened just now in Montana.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    TJ -- I agree with you on your last post but would push back on you your first post that Democrats are lacking leadership. In Congress you see it in statesmen like Adam Schiff and Mark Warner influencing their respective committee's investigations of Russian meddling in our election. Democrats certainly have had their share of appearances on talk shows articulating well thought out positions on the health care legislation and the budget. In fact much of what I have learned about various pieces of legislation I have learned from members of Congress appearing on these shows explaining the nuances of the proposed legislation. Of course, we both know that Fox News viewers are getting an entirely different story.

    For a minority party I think they are doing the best job that they can, considering Republicans control everything.

    On your last point: "I ask, what has your party done to help in the last 30 days, 60 days, ...... 180 days. Exactly, nothing. If our party was a restaurant they would no longer have my patronage."

    I met many people who might echo your words as I canvassed neighborhoods and knocked on hundreds of doors. Some certainly had a lot to say about what they didn't like about government and I listened, but when I asked if they would consider volunteering and helping, I got a blank stare and excuses.

    I'll leave that thought with a speech you know doubt have heard excerpts from a hundred times:

    Historic Documents: "Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You"

    The party is only as good as the people who decide to become a part of it to make their voices heard. And good people in the party translates into good government if we can get them elected. It is happening at the grass root level as so many young energetic people are running for office now that the party can select from the best of them.

    My only reservation in that respect is that the two factions of the party have still not united. Bernie is still doing his thing giving his stump speech everywhere he goes, much the same as Trump is still campaigning giving his stump speech everywhere he goes.

    So many Americans are caught in the middle not knowing which direction to turn to. The people of Montana felt that way and went with Gianforte.

    I am not one of those Americans that believes we need to "throw all the bums out". And I certainly don't believe that just because a candidate for office has worked for a bank or a corporation or made some money in his or her life that somehow they don't pass the liberals' purity test. We need experienced politically savvy people if we are to go up against the big money ruthless Republicans funded by the likes of the Kochtopus.

    The Kochtopus

    Sure Schmidt, I agree. However as long as this country refuses to change antique "stupid" laws, including properly "vetting" of people in high positions (even the Montana guy) then we are doomed, because then the "mafia" takes over as is the case now. Let alone that people in the "stupid" States, ever will receive "decent" education on how things work in this world.

    Amen

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "So many Americans are caught in the middle not knowing which direction to turn to."

    Nobody is telling the people that they are the country and deserve to benefit from the country. The upper class buys what they want, laws and lobbyist. Saudi Arabia has more self interested representation. A country is people and the DNC needs to address the needs of the people. Spend. The middle class is the majority and the majority should rule. A new emphasis should be placed on spending. Spending is good. Spending creates prosperity. The opposite is austerity and austerity shrinks the economy.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:

    Sure Schmidt, I agree. However as long as this country refuses to change antique "stupid" laws, including properly "vetting" of people in high positions (even the Montana guy) then we are doomed, because then the "mafia" takes over as is the case now. Let alone that people in the "stupid" States, ever will receive "decent" education on how things work in this world.

    Amen

    Dutch -- Your words "as long as this country refuses" is a blanket all encompassing phrase. "This country" is not a person...it doesn't have a vote. Rather it is a conglomeration of a diversity of people with vastly differing political, social, economic and religious views that form an "imperfect union". We always strive for a more perfect union as Obama so aptly articulated in 2008, but that path is not easy:

    Barack Obama: 'A More Perfect Union' (Full Speech)

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt, You keep defending the status quo of the party. The party is an organisation and organisations are tools and have no inherent qualities. Bernie is the future of the Country and Democratic Party. If the DNC hierarchy doesn't break down and emerge in the image and likeness of Bernie anything is up for grabs. Full employment is a four letter word when new graduates emerge from college saddled with the most debt held by anybody except the five largest countries, not sure of the exact numbers. A Democratic Party let that happen over the last 30 years. The Democratic Party lost sight of the people.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:

    Sure Schmidt, I agree. However as long as this country refuses to change antique "stupid" laws, including properly "vetting" of people in high positions (even the Montana guy) then we are doomed, because then the "mafia" takes over as is the case now. Let alone that people in the "stupid" States, ever will receive "decent" education on how things work in this world.

    Amen

    Dutch -- Your words "as long as this country refuses" is a blanket all encompassing phrase. "This country" is not a person...it doesn't have a vote. Rather it is a conglomeration of a diversity of people with vastly differing political, social, economic and religious views that form an "imperfect union". We always strive for a more perfect union as Obama so aptly articulated in 2008, but that path is not easy:

    Barack Obama: 'A More Perfect Union' (Full Speech)

    No Schmidt; the favorite word of the Constitution is "We the people" . We the people are responsible for what happens in this country. If "We the people" accept all these stupid antique laws and no vetting of our leaders then we become an worthless banana republic. If you see Trump stomping around at the NATO summit; then you see an NY Mafia bully trained by Joey "no shoes" in manners; he has none. Scolding the Germans for exporting cars; how nuts can you get. Trying to rip the arm of Macron etc. Shin in the air!! But Schmidt, there is no will here to change the Constitution to represent 2017, nor an endeavor to make real laws on vetting an President and other higher government positions; thus only "We the people" can demand such. It looks like I'm the only one. Thus if none of the changes which I proposed ever are made, then I guarantee that this country will end up like Venezuela. We've got already the idiot mafia "bully" and some more "Montana's" then we make good progress that way.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    TJ is probably correct, most Americans seen in markets and malls these days have their faces buried in their smart phones, what a wonderful invention (not) and are oblivious to everything around them, what do they care about the new and improved Trumpcare bill, or the proposed DOA budget by the GOP? People are busy looking at pictures of what their friends ate for lunch today. In bars, taverns and saloons across America, the patrons don't engage in conversation with other patrons or the bartender, they're too occupied by their smartphones. America probably is dumbed down.
  • Independent
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    Dock, I agree. May be this country indeed will become the next Venezuela, if we continue on this path. Head in the sand with the cellphone on the ear. I love the add on TV showing an whole bunch of lawyer dressed guys who rip their heads out of the sand and then run as crazy towards an huge cliff. That should be our national pride instead.
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    Targeted tax cuts aimed at the mass of people who tend to spend their money as opposed to invest it do serve a purpose. And of course taxes must be raised to previous levels once stimulus has served its purpose.
  • Center Left
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    Dutch, I agree there should be more or better vetting but after a Google search it doesn't look promising. E mail your politicians and express the importance. Don't hold your breath though.

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    TJ Wrote:

    Dutch, I agree there should be more or better vetting but after a Google search it doesn't look promising. E mail your politicians and express the importance. Don't hold your breath though.

    Tony, like I said somewhere else; that this country will not do this; they've not done so for about 300 years ,so why now?

    My bet is that this country first has to go down the drain all the way; before anyone s going to use their brain; that is the American culture, just like in any banana republic.