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The Manchester bombing

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  • Independent
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    I just wonder if Trump influenced this disaster. His visits to the Saudia's and Israel as well his speeches made the "opposition" like Iran as well the known "terrorist parties" roaring mad. Furthermore no one in that area likes Israel, especially if the "idiot" is totally in "bed" with them, including his Jewish part of the family.

    This whole trip including his speeches certainly does not make the middle east more "peaceful" but likely the opposite.

    The smart thing to do would have been to make one trip at the time; not visit all "religion" area's at the same time; this is asking for trouble. But "brains" are optional in this present government.

    All actions of the "idiot" will only make things worse, also at "home" The"hypocrite" felt sorry for the kids in Manchester, but in the meantime he rips kids apart from their parents which he deports and bombs the kids in Syria. An real sweetheart.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Authorities must have let their guard down, if they would have processed people going into that venue, this disaster might have been prevented. Yeah, the Donald is a hypocrite, he could probably care less who got killed or injured, as long as it wasn't him.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I think this happened because extremists understand that places like concert venues, restaurants, and shopping malls are full of easy targets. Maximum casualties with minimal resources. The entire idea of terrorism is in its word - to terrorize.

    And I think it's important to point out that not every bad thing that ever happens in the world is because of Donald Trump or America in general. The bomber was born and raised in the United Kingdom. The vast majority of terrorist attacks on European soil were conducted by natural born citizens of whatever country they attacked. I assume you'll retort that it's our policies that radicalized these people, but that is an elementary way of looking at a very complex problem and writes off the decades of sanctioned second class treatment many European countries make their immigrants and racial minorities live under.

    "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones."

  • Liberal Democrat
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    It's been widely reported that Iran is the birthplace of terrorism, helping the different factions of Al Queda, ISIS, Taliban and others, and the Donald, on his whirlwind trip is poking and prodding at Iran by saying they're a sponsor of terror, even if it's true. He sure isn't helping the situation, America's foreign policy has always sucked, and nations or countries dealing with terrorism should be walking softly, but hammering the hell (carry a big stick) out of groups that subscribe to terrorism globally. It would help if nation leaders kept their mouths shut, and got on to dealing with terror groups. America has been meddling in middle east problems for decades, and it seems American foreign policy exacerbates their problems as well as America's and other nations by involving them in the problems it created.
  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    I think this happened because extremists understand that places like concert venues, restaurants, and shopping malls are full of easy targets. Maximum casualties with minimal resources. The entire idea of terrorism is in its word - to terrorize.

    And I think it's important to point out that not every bad thing that ever happens in the world is because of Donald Trump or America in general. The bomber was born and raised in the United Kingdom. The vast majority of terrorist attacks on European soil were conducted by natural born citizens of whatever country they attacked. I assume you'll retort that it's our policies that radicalized these people, but that is an elementary way of looking at a very complex problem and writes off the decades of sanctioned second class treatment many European countries make their immigrants and racial minorities live under.

    "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones."

    Jared, I guess you don't see the big picture. Sorry Trump (even by being American) is the worst hypocrite you can get, who does not understand the world, nor has any decency because he's part of the "mob". Keep defending the US, you are on the wrong track doing so. You have no idea whatsoever about Europe. Guess who took in all the refugees of countries WE invaded . Sitting high and dry in Oregon while coming from Ohio does not show that you understand the position of the rest of the world related to what the US is doing including the idiot Trump. Forget your last line; you are in the glass house and refuse to see the "facts" as you did with Hillary. Sorry I get mad at such arrogance that America is not at fault. How many refugees did the US take in compared to Europe?? Jared you should know better!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess you absolutely have no clue in what direction this country is moving; just watch that all Democratic idea's end up in the waste basket and you defend it. Guess who did most of the attacks in the US; thanks to that this is an "island" most of it was locally grown; just ask the Oklahoma bomber and others.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    It seems that whenever there is a mass shooting or a bombing with deaths, it is automatically assumed to be "Islamic" in origin if the perpetrator was of Middle Eastern decent. Even in the cases where they are "ISIS inspired" if one delves deeply into intent, one might find a troubled youth, perhaps marginalized in society who decided to take not only his own life but others along with him.

    I doubt that many of these home grown mass killers labeled "ISIS inspired" have much an idea of what ISIS really stands for. The fact that ISIS exists at all gives them a convenient platform to commit the crime.

    In the United States in 2016 we had 384 mass shootings (where four or more people were killed or wounded). You didn't hear about many of them, unless they were ISIS inspired...or were committed by an "illegal". Then they probably made the headlines. Most of them were domestic disputes.

    The Deadliest Shootings In 2016 You Didn’t Hear About

    "The real story of mass shootings in America is about a controlling man slaughtering his family."

    Sometimes the person in a rage kills more than just his family. How many of them were killed in the name of Allah by true followers of ISIS idealogy?

    Let's not stereotype Muslims too quickly and submit to fear mongering.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt you seem to see it much better and realistic than Jared; I fully agree with you what drives it. I'm glad that you are on the site; to show realism.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, I guess you don't see the big picture. Sorry Trump (even by being American) is the worst hypocrite you can get, who does not understand the world, nor has any decency because he's part of the "mob". Keep defending the US, you are on the wrong track doing so.

    Yes, I do see the big picture.

    I can't stand Donald.

    And I will always defend what's best about our country while simultaneously being cognizant of our many faults.

    Dutch Wrote: You have no idea whatsoever about Europe. Guess who took in all the refugees of countries WE invaded .

    Why do you keep forgetting that I'm married to an Irish citizen? Ireland is a country that has seen more of their fair share of strife. Trust me - my wife and mother-in-law will never let me forget that.

    You also seem to forget that NATO, not just the United States, invaded Afghanistan and the UK partook in the invasion of Iraq.

    Look - I would love nothing more than for the US to take in more refugees, but people committing these heinous acts are not refugees; they are citizens of the country they live in. Do you not understand that?

    Dutch Wrote: Sitting high and dry in Oregon while coming from Ohio does not show that you understand the position of the rest of the world related to what the US is doing including the idiot Trump.

    Oregon might be high, but we most definitely are not dry. I'm also from Peoria, Illinois and not Ohio.

    Dutch Wrote: Forget your last line; you are in the glass house and refuse to see the "facts" as you did with Hillary.

    I don't know what facts you're talking about. Hillary won the popular vote by a substantial margin. The system is to blame when it comes to why she is not President.

    Dutch Wrote: Sorry I get mad at such arrogance that America is not at fault. How many refugees did the US take in compared to Europe?? Jared you should know better!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess you absolutely have no clue in what direction this country is moving; just watch that all Democratic idea's end up in the waste basket and you defend it. Guess who did most of the attacks in the US; thanks to that this is an "island" most of it was locally grown; just ask the Oklahoma bomber and others.

    This is where you lose me. I have never once said that America is without fault. I want America to take in millions of refugees. Have I ever once written anything to make you think otherwise?

    I'm also well aware that the the vast majority of attacks conducted in this country are done by individuals who were born and raised in America (minus the 9/11 attacks).

    I just think it's imperative to look at things with a grey and not a black/white view. This world is a hell of a lot more complex than blaming American foreign policy for everything that ever goes wrong.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Schmidt you seem to see it much better and realistic than Jared; I fully agree with you what drives it. I'm glad that you are on the site; to show realism.

    Actually I agree with Jared in the sense that we as a society have a tendency to look for a single reason to cast blame at someone or something when the underlying causes are much more complex. We can go back in history and pull out a lot of "would haves, could haves, should haves" as to why things are as they are and not something more to our liking. For example, I keep wondering how things would be different if America in 1953 didn't conduct Operation Ajax to overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran thus setting in motion further steps to where they are today.

    Likewise in Europe, immigration of cheap labor from North Africa and the Middle East resulted in an immigrant community who often felt marginalized in society, much the same as many immigrants to America have felt marginalized at different points in our past...the Chinese, the Japanese, even the Irish. How would our societies have thrived without the immigrants, and taking in the bad about immigration along with the good? I know many immigrants in Canada, a bastion of liberalism, feel marginalized today. You can read about them in the Canadian newspapers.

    We can define all the problems, but the solutions are considerably more difficult and multifaceted. Sometimes it is easier to cast blame than to thread through the maze to find a way out.

  • Democrat
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    My prayers go out to all of the families who lost loved ones and to those who now have to live with their injuries, my prayer will be for comfort, and speedy recovery, as for the soft targets, any and all bullies attack the defenseless. These "cowards" do not care if it's a youngster or an elderly person, it's the body count that matters, and it's not because of President Trump, or the recent visits to the Middle East, or even the latest wave of election in the U.K., it's because they have grossly misinterpeted their own Koran to suit their needs, what they seem to want to achieve is a return to the 12 century.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Do you know for a fact that the murderer "misinterpreted the Koran" in conducting mass carnage and murder. Do you know if he was a scholar of the Qur'an at all? Did he do it in the name of Allah? How do you know?
  • Independent
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    Dutch Wrote: Schmidt you seem to see it much better and realistic than Jared; I fully agree with you what drives it. I'm glad that you are on the site; to show realism.

    Schmidt does a good job of commenting, and even disagreeing, without coming across as being argumentive. It maybe his natural style or he has learned how not to use hot button terms when presenting an alternative possibility.

  • Center Left
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    Very popular American artist. Manchester, England site. Seems like they were killing two birds with one stone to quote a very old saying. Upcoming elections, crazy US president, middle east not in the news much until Trump visit. Many factors could be mitigating elements. We'll never have these questions answered. Terrorists never explain why anything is done.
  • Democrat
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    I do know for a fact that the Muslim men that I worked with have over the years all denounced this type of barbarism as being opposite of their Faith's teachings, they ( the Terrorists) have taken quite literally the early teachings of their prophet when they were besieged by many different sects and of course Christianity , and of course now it fits into their vision of world supremacy and theocracy .The initial thrust of the Muslim faith was of violence and anything goes when it concerned either infidels or vanquished enemies, but now the vast majority of Muslims do not adhere to this dogma but rather one of peace and co-existence.
  • Center Left
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    JC, I agree with you. Extreme, hateful, violent persons of any belief are a big problem. The vast majority of Muslims would be a great neighbor to have. Like the demonization of persons on extreme political sites, the worst stereotypes is all that is ever provided. Fear sells.