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Trump Power first identified by Hunter S. Thompson

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Trumpism is based on "an ethic of total retaliation" first described by Hunter S. Thompson in Hell's Angels.

    Please read the Nation's Susan Williams: ? This Political Theorist Predicted the Rise of Trumpism. His Name Was Hunter S. Thompson.

    Strange days we live in when gonzo journalism from the 60s remains politically relevant.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    That's an interesting OP-ED, except that alone from hell's angels disrespect for authority, and being rebels, some recently have been arrested with drug and violence crimes, one most recently shooting at police. The group is not what America is about IMO. Trump is only similar in that he hasn't gunned anyone down yet, he has only lambasted the good ol boy type of politics which has plagued our representative rich elitists for a very long time. Trump has his own idea of good ol boy-ism.
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    Trump is Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dockadams, the Hell's Angels were pro-Vietnam War and anti-Communism.

    The larger point is this "ethic of total retaliation" that continues in large number to support this cancerous and nihilistic troll-presidency. In a post-fact world, nothing matters. Our politicians have become pantomime villains that drive advertising and media dollars, all led by clicks and likes on the internet.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Carlitos -- Good article. I would add though that there has probably never been a time in our history when we have not had some form of protest, civil unrest and resistance, labor strife, political movements and such by groups who feel marginalized or left behind. That is not unexpected considering the diversity of our country coupled with free market capitalism.

    Before the advent of Social Security, we had poor farms or poor houses which required forced labor by the destitute in exchange for food and housing. However, before the advent of poor houses, the paupers had it even worse sometime being auctioned off for servitude.

    History of 19th Century American Poorhouses

    America's social programs have advanced from the days of paupers and poorhouses, yet there will always be a segment of the population that has been marginalized economically or socially as technology, globalization and market conditions change the demographics of the communities in which they live. They cling to memories of the past...or as Obama once said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

    We have discussed the plight of the poor in this website from Job Guarantees to Guaranteed Income to bans on immigration to job retraining and education. I think we have made progress and keep trying, but for some it will never be enough. It is good to see them voting. My problem is that they are often voting against a party or candidate, but the alternatives offer few realistic solutions to correct the economic inequities in society.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Not surprisingly, I agree with Schmidt.

    I've read all of Hunter S. Thompson's books and also read a great biography of him written by Corey Seymour and Jann Wenner, but I will have to admit that I never once thought that he predicted the rise of Donald.

    Maybe it's because I'm an atheist and don't believe in prophecy or maybe it's because I understand that people will believe what they want to believe when they read or hear something, but I just have a hard time believing that Hunter S. Thompson, a drug fueled maniac (or genius?!) predicted Donald's presidency.

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    The argument is Thompson foresaw the rise of this political "ethic of total retaliation," which is the basis for Trumpism.

    Trump voters don't care or understand policy. They don't care about facts. They care about pissing off elites.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Trump is a quirk that is dangerous. He is about immediate self gratification and his only validation is $$$. Trying to make something out of him is a disservice. Now talking about his rise to power like he is an answer for the times. Get real.

    Trumpism is immediate self gratification.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Carlitos -- Good article. I would add though that there has probably never been a time in our history when we have not had some form of protest, civil unrest and resistance, labor strife, political movements and such by groups who feel marginalized or left behind. That is not unexpected considering the diversity of our country coupled with free market capitalism.

    Before the advent of Social Security, we had poor farms or poor houses which required forced labor by the destitute in exchange for food and housing. However, before the advent of poor houses, the paupers had it even worse sometime being auctioned off for servitude.

    History of 19th Century American Poorhouses

    America's social programs have advanced from the days of paupers and poorhouses, yet there will always be a segment of the population that has been marginalized economically or socially as technology, globalization and market conditions change the demographics of the communities in which they live. They cling to memories of the past...or as Obama once said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

    We have discussed the plight of the poor in this website from Job Guarantees to Guaranteed Income to bans on immigration to job retraining and education. I think we have made progress and keep trying, but for some it will never be enough. It is good to see them voting. My problem is that they are often voting against a party or candidate, but the alternatives offer few realistic solutions to correct the economic inequities in society.

    Obama was describing the same thing Thompson saw in the Hell's Angels: victim-hood and alienation leading to counter cultural and sub-cultural revanchism and derangement.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt said: "Before the advent of Social Security, we had poor farms or poor houses which required forced labor by the destitute in exchange for food and housing."

    And, at least one of my repuglicon representatives are pushing this agenda, I found this out by participating in a survey that was mailed to me. She and some others are advocating making EBT, and other social programs available to poor and under-employed as well as unemployed poor people participate in drug screening, and making the poor work for the benefits they might receive from the state. In other words, my state may be forcing people to work if they are to receive benefits, and the state might even require recipients to do drug testing.

    This is a link to her survey, if you can put a name and address into the form, you can take the 2017 survey and see for yourselves how backward this state has become. Some of her multiple choices for the questions in the survey make no sense at all, she requires all right leaning answers.

    legis.wisconsin.gov/assembly/61/kerkman...