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Ivanka Trump: the Apprentice's apprentice


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  • Schmidt
    2017-05-08 09:22:46 AM
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    Ivanka Trump has the title "Assistant to the President". She has no experience and no credentials for the job, yet she has top security clearance, her own office and staff in the west wing of the White House, and more or less has free rain to drop in on anyone to get a personal update on an issue. She supposedly is in the position to act as a "moderating influence" on her father, especially on women's issues and inequality (her words).

    But if you look at the administration's actions rather than her words, it is hard to see where she has influenced her father on anything. Trumpcare, especially has been devastating to women (it defunds Planned Parenthood amongst other women's issues), and it drives inequality taking from the poor and giving to the rich with a massive tax redistribution scheme couched as healthcare. Ditto for his proposed budget...or is it the Bannon/Mulvaney budget that slashes funding for women's programs amongst many others?

    Ivanka Trump talks a good story about her role, but so far she seems to be nothing more than an apprentice learning about a job in which she has zero influence on her authoritarian father. That should not be so surprising because her own father is also an apprentice who has no real ideas of substance and no inclination to learn. Meanwhile Bannon, Mulvaney, Pence, the Goldman Sach guys, the Generals and Superboy Kushner, Ivanka's husband, are given free rein to formulate policies while Donald Trump plans his next golf outing.

    Ivanka Trump is there to learn how to capitalize the office of the presidency to make money. She is their to promote and protect her business interests. That's all. That's what she does and that's what her father does. It is a new season of Celebrity Apprentice White House.

  • Dockadams
    2017-05-08 09:59:03 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Ivanka Trump has the title "Assistant to the President". She has no experience and no credentials for the job, yet she has top security clearance, her own office and staff in the west wing of the White House, and more or less has free rain to drop in on anyone to get a personal update on an issue. She supposedly is in the position to act as a "moderating influence" on her father, especially on women's issues and inequality (her words).

    But if you look at the administration's actions rather than her words, it is hard to see where she has influenced her father on anything. Trumpcare, especially has been devastating to women (it defunds Planned Parenthood amongst other women's issues), and it drives inequality taking from the poor and giving to the rich with a massive tax redistribution scheme couched as healthcare. Ditto for his proposed budget...or is it the Bannon/Mulvaney budget that slashes funding for women's programs amongst many others?

    Ivanka Trump talks a good story about her role, but so far she seems to be nothing more than an apprentice learning about a job in which she has zero influence on her authoritarian father. That should not be so surprising because her own father is also an apprentice who has no real ideas of substance and no inclination to learn. Meanwhile Bannon, Mulvaney, Pence, the Goldman Sach guys, the Generals and Superboy Kushner, Ivanka's husband, are given free rein to formulate policies while Donald Trump plans his next golf outing.

    Ivanka Trump is there to learn how to capitalize the office of the presidency to make money. She is their to promote and protect her business interests. That's all. That's what she does and that's what her father does. It is a new season of Celebrity Apprentice White House.

    @ Schmidt,

    do we know for sure she has a TS clearance? is that what was reported?

    I know a TS clearance takes some time to obtain, the DIS and FBI take about 6 months to run background checks on people, at least it took that long back in 1976 because my duty section required that I possessed a TS clearance, maybe it doesn't take that long to acquire. I still worked in a duty section where sensitive information was sent and received, but I was not allowed to view, send or receive information that required a TS clearance. Just so people know who may be reading this forum, people can work in a place where sensitive information is read and transmitted, but a keeper will be with that person at all times during their tenure and ensure that the person without a TS clearance isn't exposed to the information. That's how it worked years ago.

    Here are the different types of security clearances our Government has.

    "Security clearances can be issued by many United States of America government agencies, including the Department of Defense (DoD), the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Department of Energy (DoE), the Department of Justice (DoJ), the National Security Agency (NSA), and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). DoD issues more than 80% of all clearances. There are three levels of DoD security clearances:[1]

    TOP SECRET – Will be applied to information in which the unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security. SECRET – Will be applied to information in which the unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause serious damage to the national security. CONFIDENTIAL – Will be applied to information in which the unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause damage to the national security.

    Additionally, the United States Department of Energy issues two levels of security clearances:

    Q Clearance – Allows access to Classified information up to and including TOP SECRET data with the special designation: Restricted Data (TS//RD) and special Q-Cleared "security" areas. L Clearance – Allows access to Classified information up to and including SECRET data with the special designation: Formerly Restricted Data (S//FRD) and special L-Cleared "limited" areas.

    Despite the common misconception, a public trust position is not a security clearance, and is not the same as the confidential designation. Certain positions which require access to sensitive information, but not information which is classified, must obtain this designation through a background check. Public Trust Positions can either be moderate-risk or high-risk.[2][3] "

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._secu...

  • Dutch
    2017-05-08 01:58:53 PM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Ivanka Trump has the title "Assistant to the President". She has no experience and no credentials for the job, yet she has top security clearance, her own office and staff in the west wing of the White House, and more or less has free rain to drop in on anyone to get a personal update on an issue. She supposedly is in the position to act as a "moderating influence" on her father, especially on women's issues and inequality (her words).

    But if you look at the administration's actions rather than her words, it is hard to see where she has influenced her father on anything. Trumpcare, especially has been devastating to women (it defunds Planned Parenthood amongst other women's issues), and it drives inequality taking from the poor and giving to the rich with a massive tax redistribution scheme couched as healthcare. Ditto for his proposed budget...or is it the Bannon/Mulvaney budget that slashes funding for women's programs amongst many others?

    Ivanka Trump talks a good story about her role, but so far she seems to be nothing more than an apprentice learning about a job in which she has zero influence on her authoritarian father. That should not be so surprising because her own father is also an apprentice who has no real ideas of substance and no inclination to learn. Meanwhile Bannon, Mulvaney, Pence, the Goldman Sach guys, the Generals and Superboy Kushner, Ivanka's husband, are given free rein to formulate policies while Donald Trump plans his next golf outing.

    Ivanka Trump is there to learn how to capitalize the office of the presidency to make money. She is their to promote and protect her business interests. That's all. That's what she does and that's what her father does. It is a new season of Celebrity Apprentice White House.

    Schmidt, also the sister of Kushner is involved; she is selling US property to the Chinese and provides "visa's" so they can live here; if they buy here. I think the conflict of interest only expands and the ethics commission is deaf and dumb.
  • TJ
    2017-05-08 02:25:26 PM
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    The next 3 1/2 or 7 1/2 years will show how being POTUS for financial gain is uncharted territory. Hopefully it's addressed going forward. He is an ugly stain on our country and safeguards must be put in place to prevent it from happening again. POTUS for profit should be illogical.
  • Schmidt
    2017-05-08 06:42:49 PM
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    Dockadams Wrote:

    @ Schmidt,

    do we know for sure she has a TS clearance? is that what was reported?

    I know a TS clearance takes some time to obtain, the DIS and FBI take about 6 months to run background checks on people, at least it took that long back in 1976 because my duty section required that I possessed a TS clearance, maybe it doesn't take that long to acquire. I still worked in a duty section where sensitive information was sent and received, but I was not allowed to view, send or receive information that required a TS clearance. Just so people know who may be reading this forum, people can work in a place where sensitive information is read and transmitted, but a keeper will be with that person at all times during their tenure and ensure that the person without a TS clearance isn't exposed to the information. That's how it worked years ago.

    Here are the different types of security clearances our Government has.

    "Security clearances can be issued by many United States of America government agencies, including the Department of Defense (DoD), the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Department of Energy (DoE), the Department of Justice (DoJ), the National Security Agency (NSA), and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). DoD issues more than 80% of all clearances. There are three levels of DoD security clearances:[1]

    TOP SECRET – Will be applied to information in which the unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security. SECRET – Will be applied to information in which the unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause serious damage to the national security. CONFIDENTIAL – Will be applied to information in which the unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause damage to the national security.

    Additionally, the United States Department of Energy issues two levels of security clearances:

    Q Clearance – Allows access to Classified information up to and including TOP SECRET data with the special designation: Restricted Data (TS//RD) and special Q-Cleared "security" areas. L Clearance – Allows access to Classified information up to and including SECRET data with the special designation: Formerly Restricted Data (S//FRD) and special L-Cleared "limited" areas.

    Despite the common misconception, a public trust position is not a security clearance, and is not the same as the confidential designation. Certain positions which require access to sensitive information, but not information which is classified, must obtain this designation through a background check. Public Trust Positions can either be moderate-risk or high-risk.[2][3] "

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._secu...

    I stand corrected. The media reported that Trump is seeking security clearance for both Ivanka and her husband Jared. Those reports were put out around March 21st, but I have not seen any media reports that they have been granted security clearance, not that we would necessarily know. As you pointed out, there are different levels of security clearance, and she might just have the basic one, but not cleared for higher level.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2017-05-08 07:06:02 PM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Ivanka Trump has the title "Assistant to the President". She has no experience and no credentials for the job, yet she has top security clearance, her own office and staff in the west wing of the White House, and more or less has free rain to drop in on anyone to get a personal update on an issue. She supposedly is in the position to act as a "moderating influence" on her father, especially on women's issues and inequality (her words).

    But if you look at the administration's actions rather than her words, it is hard to see where she has influenced her father on anything. Trumpcare, especially has been devastating to women (it defunds Planned Parenthood amongst other women's issues), and it drives inequality taking from the poor and giving to the rich with a massive tax redistribution scheme couched as healthcare. Ditto for his proposed budget...or is it the Bannon/Mulvaney budget that slashes funding for women's programs amongst many others?

    Ivanka Trump talks a good story about her role, but so far she seems to be nothing more than an apprentice learning about a job in which she has zero influence on her authoritarian father. That should not be so surprising because her own father is also an apprentice who has no real ideas of substance and no inclination to learn. Meanwhile Bannon, Mulvaney, Pence, the Goldman Sach guys, the Generals and Superboy Kushner, Ivanka's husband, are given free rein to formulate policies while Donald Trump plans his next golf outing.

    Ivanka Trump is there to learn how to capitalize the office of the presidency to make money. She is their to promote and protect her business interests. That's all. That's what she does and that's what her father does. It is a new season of Celebrity Apprentice White House.

    An advisor to the president should be a weathered, hard nosed , somewhat paranoid veteran scrutinizing anything the president may see. I see Ivanka as less than that and more a politician than guardian.
  • Maindawg
    2017-05-09 07:44:04 PM
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    It's kinda like the tea party in the wonderland . I expect to be nuked .

  • Dockadams
    2017-05-10 04:39:11 AM
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    Who knows what she has. I would think that when people have a security clearance, or persons serving our government, they wouldn't be talking about it or putting out that type of information in the first place. I know when I served in the armed forces, we didn't discuss our types of security clearances among ourselves or what we knew or didn't know, let alone tell others out of the duty section that we even possessed any type of clearance, what's being done with this white house is highly unusual and unprecedented in putting out that kind of information. It's ridiculous.

    I do understand that nepotism seems to be running rampant with this administration, if you could call it an administration, it's as if clowns are running the show.

  • Schmidt
    2017-05-11 10:16:39 AM
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    Yes, the nepotism is really frustrating. I can appreciate perhaps that Ivanka and Jared might have a role in controlling Trump's anger fits, but what I don't understand is how the both of them seem to participate in high level meetings where higher levels of security clearance should be a requirement. Do security clearances and protocol not apply to Ivanka and Jared because they are "family"?

    Just wondering. I see photos of them in these meetings and that's what led me to believe that they do have security clearances. Maybe it doesn't matter.

  • Dockadams
    2017-05-11 03:21:17 PM
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    It's hard to tell what's going on inside of the white house. It's also difficult to know or find out if the Trump extended family is privy to confidential, secret or top secret information. Many who are not supporters of Trump or family are seeing a very clouded administration, like no transparency whatsoever, which is very troubling. The American public must be thinking what the hell is going on?

    On security clearances, the person viewing sensitive information must have a need to know, I'm not sure that this protocol is being followed at all, nobody knows, except the Trump circle.

    An off topic about security clearances, since I had a security clearance, and obtained a copy of my DIS file through the FOIA via a staff judge advocate, I found out that the military retains files on service members for 35 years after they separate from the armed forces. I would think they, whomever they are, retain files on people in government service for equally that length of time.

    I'm beside myself on how anyone who has more than a dozen sexual assault claims against him can hold any type of position within the federal government, people in the armed forces are held to a higher standard than what Trump has been.

  • Schmidt
    2017-05-12 07:37:13 AM
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    That seems to be the biggest flaw in our vetting and in obtaining security clearances. While almost everyone in government is vetted at some point or other, the President of the United States, if he has never held public office, only appears to be vetted by the party apparatus and the media. Once he is in office, his security clearance is automatic. Top security clearance with the nuclear bomb codes. He alone can order a nuclear attack.

    And all the conflict of interest provisions that apply to everyone else, do not seem to apply to the president if he chooses to ignore them. As one domestic example, how can he still hold onto his interest in his Washington DC hotel is beyond me. Then there are all his foreign connections that dazzle the mind. Russia, Russia, Russia.

  • Dutch
    2017-05-12 08:38:53 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    That seems to be the biggest flaw in our vetting and in obtaining security clearances. While almost everyone in government is vetted at some point or other, the President of the United States, if he has never held public office, only appears to be vetted by the party apparatus and the media. Once he is in office, his security clearance is automatic. Top security clearance with the nuclear bomb codes. He alone can order a nuclear attack.

    And all the conflict of interest provisions that apply to everyone else, do not seem to apply to the president if he chooses to ignore them. As one domestic example, how can he still hold onto his interest in his Washington DC hotel is beyond me. Then there are all his foreign connections that dazzle the mind. Russia, Russia, Russia.

    Schmidt, I said an million times that "laws" in this country only apply to people with incomes less than a $500K, as well if you're black or a Muslim then again other "laws" apply. Thus you admit that we can elect El Chapo for President and no one blinks. But yeah we are getting fantastic super great "healthcare", Mr. Fat face said so. Start waving the striped underwear flag until you faint.
  • Dockadams
    2017-05-12 01:44:38 PM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    That seems to be the biggest flaw in our vetting and in obtaining security clearances. While almost everyone in government is vetted at some point or other, the President of the United States, if he has never held public office, only appears to be vetted by the party apparatus and the media. Once he is in office, his security clearance is automatic. Top security clearance with the nuclear bomb codes. He alone can order a nuclear attack.

    And all the conflict of interest provisions that apply to everyone else, do not seem to apply to the president if he chooses to ignore them. As one domestic example, how can he still hold onto his interest in his Washington DC hotel is beyond me. Then there are all his foreign connections that dazzle the mind. Russia, Russia, Russia.

    Yeah, isn't that ironic that this man can just about get away with homicide, and nobody even blinks....
  • Dockadams
    2017-05-12 01:45:39 PM
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    3 1/2 to 7 1/2? Somebody, please, help, us.
  • Dockadams
    2018-02-28 11:11:57 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Yes, the nepotism is really frustrating. I can appreciate perhaps that Ivanka and Jared might have a role in controlling Trump's anger fits, but what I don't understand is how the both of them seem to participate in high level meetings where higher levels of security clearance should be a requirement. Do security clearances and protocol not apply to Ivanka and Jared because they are "family"?

    Just wondering. I see photos of them in these meetings and that's what led me to believe that they do have security clearances. Maybe it doesn't matter.

    Apparently you were correct in assuming these relatives had security clearances, as we are just now finding out with Kushner's revocation of a TS clearance. Now Mueller can fence this guy in and level some conspiracy/collusion charges against him too. Now, what about the remainder of his (Trump's) family? do they have security clearances? do the have a need to know?

    I think this was a thread you might have been looking for Schmidt.

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