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The French debacle

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  • Dockadams
    2017-05-08 03:46:18 AM
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    How will Macron work with dictator Trump?
  • Dutch
    2017-05-08 08:47:21 AM
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    If you read my previous threads,then it should be clear that the US played an dirty role in it. Obama supported Macron; Trump supported Le Pen. Furthermore I'm sure the French will find out who the US culprits were,who were involved in the hacking. I doubt that Macron will have much time or interest in Trump, because he will have his hands full to unite France as well the EU. Anyway I hope the EU will become stronger. US and Britain will become more isolated under Trump and Brexit.
  • Schmidt
    2017-05-08 09:51:03 AM
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    Dockadams Wrote: How will Macron work with dictator Trump?

    Take a look at this video.

    https://www.facebook.com/EmmanuelMacron/videos/1912881878944389/

    I think it tells you one way how Macron plans to work with Trump (or around Trump). Ha.

    Viva La France.

  • Dockadams
    2017-05-08 10:03:03 AM
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    That was very good! thanks for posting it.
  • jaredsxtn
    2017-05-08 01:32:28 PM
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    Dutch Wrote: If you read my previous threads,then it should be clear that the US played an dirty role in it. Obama supported Macron; Trump supported Le Pen. Furthermore I'm sure the French will find out who the US culprits were,who were involved in the hacking. I doubt that Macron will have much time or interest in Trump, because he will have his hands full to unite France as well the EU. Anyway I hope the EU will become stronger. US and Britain will become more isolated under Trump and Brexit.

    Are you suggesting that the US hacked Macron's servers in an attempt to tip the election to Marine Le Pen? That does't make much any sense at all.

    I have a feeling the culprits were far more likely Russian agents, especially since they have been doing the exact same thing in numerous elections in Western countries. Russia's explicit goal is to break apart the EU and Le Pen basically ran on that platform.

    Trump may have been smitten with Le Pen, but our intelligence agencies are constantly clashing with Donald and I have a hard time believing they'd go along with an operation that could have very likely led to the dissolution of the EU.

  • Dutch
    2017-05-08 01:49:27 PM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: If you read my previous threads,then it should be clear that the US played an dirty role in it. Obama supported Macron; Trump supported Le Pen. Furthermore I'm sure the French will find out who the US culprits were,who were involved in the hacking. I doubt that Macron will have much time or interest in Trump, because he will have his hands full to unite France as well the EU. Anyway I hope the EU will become stronger. US and Britain will become more isolated under Trump and Brexit.

    Are you suggesting that the US hacked Macron's servers in an attempt to tip the election to Marine Le Pen? That does't make much any sense at all.

    I have a feeling the culprits were far more likely Russian agents, especially since they have been doing the exact same thing in numerous elections in Western countries. Russia's explicit goal is to break apart the EU and Le Pen basically ran on that platform.

    Trump may have been smitten with Le Pen, but our intelligence agencies are constantly clashing with Donald and I have a hard time believing they'd go along with an operation that could have very likely led to the dissolution of the EU.

    No Jared; this was disclosed by European newspapers; if you read my threads of 5/7 you will even find the names they mentioned. Yes the US was involved by the distribution of the hacked e-mails according to these news papers; I did not suck this out of my thumb. You must know by now that here are an lot of fanatic fascists running around here; including the contacts of Bannon, as well Nazi groups, who cheered when Trump was elected. Don't be naive that the US is "holy". Don't forget Trump supported Le Pen. But the French will find out who was involved.
  • TJ
    2017-05-08 02:15:50 PM
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    I don't blame the US for direct participation but I wouldn't be shocked if under a few layers of plausible deniability that we wouldn't do whatever was asked by those wanting to benefit from the results.

    She too has Russian loans and thus potential obligations. Follow the money. Tax returns would be interesting.

  • jaredsxtn
    2017-05-08 02:42:21 PM
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    Dutch Wrote: No Jared; this was disclosed by European newspapers; if you read my threads of 5/7 you will even find the names they mentioned. Yes the US was involved by the distribution of the hacked e-mails according to these news papers; I did not suck this out of my thumb.

    Provide a link and I'll be happy to translate the article. Google Translate is one hell of a program. It helped my wife and I tremendously during our months traveling around South America.

    Here's what I'm able to find by just doing a little bit of research of your claims in a previous post: A website called pastebin.com released Emmanuel Macron's hacked emails one and a half days before the French Presidential elections. The post has since been removed, but the website 4Chan was able to publish the documents from pastebin before they deleted them. Shortly thereafter, a far right wing activist named Jack Posobiec retweeted a 4Chan link that had copied all of the hacked emails to his whopping 109,000 followers.

    The DemocraticHub has thousands more followers than Jack Posobiec. Did you credit us with taking down Michael Flynn simply because we retweeted an article about his contacts with Russia after the election? No, you didn't. You didn't because it would be the silliest thing in the world to believe that.

    I hate to break it to you, but your "proof" that Donald and his mini-me Bannon conspired to defeat Macron is anything but. Facts mean a hell of a lot more than conjecture. Just because someone believes something doesn't mean it's true.

    Dutch Wrote: You must know by now that here are an lot of fanatic fascists running around here; including the contacts of Bannon, as well Nazi groups, who cheered when Trump was elected. Don't be naive that the US is "holy". Don't forget Trump supported Le Pen. But the French will find out who was involved.

    I'm not and never have been "naive that the US is holy". I am a student of our history and continue to struggle with my nations treatment of the native people, African slaves, the Chinese after the gold rush, Jim Crow laws, and countless other horrible things my country has done.

    There are a lot of terrible people in this country and I think that our President is one of them, but I also deeply care about facts.

    Give me proof that Trump intervened in an attempt to help Le Pen and I'll be happy to eat crow, but if you aren't able to then you should admit it.

  • Dutch
    2017-05-09 11:14:56 AM
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    ultrarechtse-activisten-vs-hielpen-bij-lek-e-mails-macron~a1c537ff

    If it says allow "cookies' open that.

  • jaredsxtn
    2017-05-09 11:48:21 AM
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    Dutch Wrote:

    ultrarechtse-activisten-vs-hielpen-bij-lek-e-mails-macron~a1c537ff

    If it says allow "cookies' open that.

    Here's a link to the English translation of the story:

    "Ultra Right US activists assisted in leaking Macron's emails"

    There's one glaring error in the article. It says that Posobiec "conducted a campaign for presidential candidate Donald Trump last year," but that is not true. He was a host on a website called Citizens for Trump. That's akin to crediting me for conducting a campaign for Hillary Clinton because I supported her on our website.

    The article then goes on to use Wikileaks as their only "source" alleging that the "documents were leaked to the presidency only late in the race to blackmail Russian President Vladimir Putin." Wikileaks offered no proof whatsoever to back up their claim and this article doesn't come remotely close to proving that the United States government intervened in the French Presidential election.

    I'm sorry, but this is a poorly sourced article that is sorely lacking in even the most basic of journalistic standards.

  • Maindawg
    2017-05-09 07:13:41 PM
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    Macron has already invited climate scientists to work in France. He is not going to tolerate the nonsense. We have a treaty.

    South Korea is voting for a populist liberal who is for negotiating with the north. The south Koreans want peace, and they are tired of America and our military and the missiles and all of it .

    Macron will have little to do with the fat idiot.

    As for Lapenn , She is just another right wing idealogue whose core beliefs are based upon emotional theories. But through all of it she never advocated for ending Frances socialized Heath care system. Even crazy euro trash right wing nut jobs love their free health care.

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