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    I read this morning that the Tea Party is threatening to shut down the govetnment if the budget includes funding for Planned Parenthood.

    In 2013 the Tea Party (led by Ted "green eggs and ham" Cruz) shut down the government in order to prevent funding for Obamacare.

    I have also read that the Democrats would force a shutdown if the budget includes any funding for a border wall, which brings to mind this rhyme:

    Trumpty Dumpty wanted a wall

    Trumpty Dumpty had a great fall

    All the king's horses

    And all the king's men

    Couldn't make Trumpty Dumpty sane again

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    There will be a govt shutdown. And it's going to be a hell of a fight. The fat idiot and his evil clown posse are trying to destroy our government. So the Dems are left with a choice of allowing them to destroy or shutting it down and letting it die of starvation. Damned I f they do damned if they don't. They will sit back and allow the repubs to eat themselves . They can't get along with their on party they cannot govern. Give them all the rope they need to hang themselves. They will.
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    I read this morning that the Tea Party is threatening to shut down the govetnment if the budget includes funding for Planned Parenthood.

    In 2013 the Tea Party (led by Ted "green eggs and ham" Cruz) shut down the government in order to prevent funding for Obamacare.

    I have also read that the Democrats would force a shutdown if the budget includes any funding for a border wall, which brings to mind this rhyme:

    Trumpty Dumpty wanted a wall

    Trumpty Dumpty had a great fall

    All the king's horses

    And all the king's men

    Couldn't make Trumpty Dumpty sane again

    Trump does have to fear some republicans, and some hard right freedom caucus people, about 23 of them. He'll find out what Obama went through, and what the republican party went through too. Nice poem.
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    In 2012, the owner of a Florida-based hospitality company warned employees that he might have to eliminate their jobs if Obama got re-elected.

    A man who has funneled thousands of dollars in donations to President Trump’s campaign warned his employees of layoffs and a bleak future for their company if the president is not reelected.

    George Daniels, the president of Orlando-based Daniels Manufacturing Corporation, wrote a letter placed in pay stub envelopes that said some employees might lose their jobs if Trump loses the election Nov. 3, WESH 2 News in Orlando reported.

    “If President Trump and the Republicans win, DMC will hopefully be able to continue operating, more or less as it has been operating lately,” the letter reads, according to WESH, which obtained it through one of the company’s employees.

    “However, if Biden and the Democrats win, DMC could be forced to begin permanent layoffs, beginning in late 2020 and/or early 2021,” the letter continues.

    Federal campaign finance records show Daniels has made contributions of hundreds of thousands of dollars to Trump’s campaign and the political action committees supporting him — including the Trump Make America Great Again Committee and Trump Victory — as well as other Republican candidates in and outside of Florida.

    In a video report produced by WESH, a Trump 2020 flag can be seen flying at the entrance to the Daniels Manufacturing facility.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/19/florida-company-trump/

    You would think that this type of pressure should be illegal - but it's not.

    A spokesperson for Federal Elections Commission said there are laws that restrict employers from inducing employees to give money or fundraise for a certain candidate. (However, that did not stop Louis DeJoy from requiring his employees to make contributions, WHICH HE LATER REIMBURSED WITH BONUSES.)

    But there are no federal election laws relating to voting recommendations or even implied threats.

    https://www.cnbc.com/id/49421240

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    Our democracy has been a messy affair ever since its founding. What I did not realize until this morning is that Abraham Lincoln's run for office had striking similarities to the politics of today.

    Financial irregularities.

    Armed resistance.

    Racial innuendo.

    Fake news.

    Assassination threats.

    Voter suppression.

    "Don't tread on me".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/30/opinion/lincoln-trump-1860-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Our democracy has been a messy affair ever since its founding. What I did not realize until this morning is that Abraham Lincoln's run for office had striking similarities to the politics of today.

    Financial irregularities.

    Armed resistance.

    Racial innuendo.

    Fake news.

    Assassination threats.

    Voter suppression.

    "Don't tread on me".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/30/opinion/lincoln-trump-1860-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Which means that this country has learned nothing in a couple of centuries. Neither are the "laws" improved, because it works fine for all the "crooks" here including the President. It is still "hillbilly" country for at least about 45% who still think it is 1800, and have "crooked lawyers" who allow you to runaround openly with "big guns" to shoot at everything what moves or is "liberal". Congratulations America you get the "medal" for being the most "backward" part of the British (non-any-more) Empire.Wink

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    HCR had a few comments last night that remind us that history often repeats itself.

    Today’s Republican Party has traveled a long way from the party of Abraham Lincoln.

    In the 1850s, the Republican Party rose to stand against a small group of wealthy southern white slaveholders who had taken over the government. Those slaveholders made up only about 1% of the American South. They ran the Democratic Party, but they knew their system of human enslavement was unpopular and that they were in a political minority even in the Democratic Party. It was only a question of time until the majority began to hem in their ownership of other human beings.

    So when folks started to urge the government to promote infrastructure in the growing nation, building roads or dredging harbors, for example, these southern leaders worried that if the government began to intervene in the economy, the regulation of slavery would be just around the corner. They pushed back by insisting that the government could do nothing that was not expressly written in the Constitution. Even if the vast majority of the people in the country wanted the government to do something, it could not.

    (This is a view held by Brett Kavanagh and Amy Coney Barrett).

    As pressure grew for government to promote economic growth for ordinary Americans, the southern slaveholders worked to cement their power. They courted poor white voters, telling them that any attempt to regulate slavery was an effort to lift Black people over them. From their stronghold in the Senate, southern leaders stopped legislation to develop the country and instead pushed laws that spread slavery into the West. When northerners objected, southern leaders packed the Supreme Court and got it to agree that Congress could not stop the spread of southern slavery even across the entire nation. But while they insisted the federal government could not promote the economy for ordinary Americans, they demanded a sweeping federal slave code to protect slavery in the West.

    Their system was best for the nation, they explained. Society was made up of a mass of workers, drudges who weren’t terribly smart, but were strong and loyal. They were the “mudsills” of society, akin to the wood hammered into the ground that supported the grand plantation homes above. Directed by their betters, these mudsills produced capital, which accumulated in the hands of the wealthy. There, it did far more good than if it were distributed among those who had produced it, because society’s leaders used their wealth to innovate and build the economy, doing what was best for the workers, who could not understand their own interests. The nation thrived.

    To secure this system, though, it was imperative that the mudsills could not vote. If they could, workers would demand more of the wealth they produced. White southerners had enslaved their laborers, South Carolina Senator James Henry Hammond told his northern colleagues in 1858, but northerners had not, and they foolishly allowed them to vote. “If they knew the tremendous secret, that the ballot-box is stronger than "an army with banners," and could combine, where would you be?” Hammond demanded. “Your society would be reconstructed, your government overthrown, your property divided… by the quiet process of the ballot-box.”

    Men like Abraham Lincoln organized to overturn the idea that they were mindless workers, doomed to menial labor for life. In 1859, Lincoln articulated a new vision for the nation, putting ordinary men, rather than elite slaveholders, at the heart of national development.

    Lincoln’s “Free Labor” theory held that the nation worked best when the government supported ordinary men rather than a wealthy elite. Ordinary men worked more intelligently and innovated more freely than an elite, and when the government used its power to free up resources for them, they built the economy far more efficiently than the enslaved workers who were hampered by the commands of an out-of-touch plantation owner. Rather than shunning economic development, the government should embrace it, they said, spreading free labor, rather than slavery, across the West.

    When Lincoln won the 1860 election, southern leaders refused to accept the results of the election. They left the Union to launch a new nation that rejected the idea of human equality and was instead based on human enslavement.

    Left in charge of the government, the new Republican Party rebuilt it according to Lincoln’s vision. To pay the enormous cost of the Civil War, they invented our first national system of taxation, including the income tax. Then, to enable people to pay those taxes, they spread opportunity to ordinary men, giving them western land (that we now recognize belonged to indigenous people), establishing our state universities, and building a railroad to take people across the country. Ultimately, they included Black men in their vision, abolishing slavery, establishing Black citizenship, and guaranteeing Black men the right to vote so they could protect their own interests.

    Under the leadership of the Republican Party, Americans were, Lincoln reminded them, resolving “that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

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    Beautiful story; however we are not living in 1800, except an huge bunch of Trumpers. I've never seen an country who is so "stuck" in their past. Horse and buggy thinking won't work in 2020. As I wrote many times the "system" here is bound to fail ask Boris; he's now battling the same thing as here. My friends in Europe just sent me an piece of what is happening in Britain now. It kind of "mirrors" our situation.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/14/attacks-by-pms-ousted-aide-left-new-press-chief-in-tears?

    Sorry the British Empire is gone; forget it. Make the laws proper and get rid of the British structure, if not then the same situation as now will be repeated over and over again. Sorry this country is stuck in the British "mud" and "clothed cream"

    I guess the biggest mistake here is having copied the British crap and made it even worse. It shows.

    Yes it is the American " experiment" done by using the wrong "base". You can't fix something which was started already with the wrong "writing" with bandaids. Trump knew if you kick in "loyalty" into an lousy system then the whole "castle" collapses. Ask Mc Connell as well on how you can easily trample and by-pass the British system here. Sorry this country is laughable right now because they try to fix worn out shoes with huge holes in it.

    When are they going to "wake up " here? I guess only when it is too late. The typical "arrogance" here will hasten the end of this country.

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    HCR reminded us last night that an election a long time ago bore a striking resemblance to the election of 2020.

    We have been in a spot much like this before. In 1884, Americans turned against the Republican Party because it had abandoned its support for ordinary Americans in favor of the industrial leaders who put money into Republican lawmakers’ political war chests, as well as into their pockets. Voters put Democrat Grover Cleveland into the White House, the first Democrat to hold the presidency since James Buchanan was elected in 1856.

    Horrified, the Republicans flooded the country with stories of how Democrats were socialists who would attack the rich by ending the legislation that protected businesses. If Democrats continued to control the government, Republicans said, they would destroy America. In 1888, they suppressed Democratic votes and created modern political financing as they hit up businessmen for major donations. Despite their best efforts, voters reelected Cleveland by about 100,000 votes, but Republicans managed to eke out a win for their candidate, Benjamin Harrison, in the Electoral College. Harrison promised a “BUSINESSMAN’S ADMINISTRATION,” and indeed, in office, he and his men did all they could to cement the Republican Party into power so it could continue to defend business (among other things, they added six new states to the Union to pack the Electoral College).

    But voters still didn’t like the Republicans’ platform, which seemed more and more to funnel money from hardworking Americans upward into the pockets of those men who were increasingly portrayed as robber barons. In 1892, they voted for Cleveland in such numbers they couldn’t be overridden in the Electoral College. Voters also put Democrats in charge of Congress, both the House of Representatives and the Senate.

    And that is the moment I cannot help thinking about today. Faced with a legitimately elected Democratic government, Republican leaders deliberately sabotaged the country. They swamped the media with warnings that Democrats would destroy the economy and that men should pull their capital out of stocks and industries. Foreign capital should, they said, go home or face disaster. Money began to flow out of the country and stocks faltered. When financiers begged the Harrison administration to shore up the markets in the face of the growing panic, administration officials told them their job was only to keep the country afloat until the day of Cleveland’s inauguration.

    They didn’t quite make it. The economy collapsed about ten days before Cleveland took the oath of office, saddling the new president with the Panic of 1893 and very few ways to combat it. Republicans had deliberately sabotaged the country in order to discredit Cleveland, then demanded he honor the demands of financiers to stabilize the economy. Caught between a rock and a hard place, Cleveland tried to work with moneyed interests to combat the depression and promptly split his own party. The country roiled as out-of-work Americans despaired, some of them marching on Washington, D.C., to demand the government do something to address their plight.

    The Republicans went into the 1894 midterm elections blaming the Democrats for the crisis in the country. They won the midterms in what remains the largest seat swing in the history of the House of Representatives. Then they claimed that, with Republicans back in power, the economy was now safe. They papered the country with media announcing that the panic was over and people should reinvest. The panic was over, and a Republican president won in 1896, once again insisting the Democrats were socialists, but this time adding that the past four years had proved the Democrats could not run the economy.

    There is no excuse for the silence of Republican lawmakers as their president attacks our democracy. But there might be a precedent.

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    As I said in my thread above yours; will they ever learn that the convoluted tinkered with British system is and remains an disaster; indeed they've not learned anything since 1800 as you so clearly described.

    The stubborn attitude and arrogance here reigns since 1800. At a certain time the horse in front of the broken wagon will give up and die. Trump only helped to "show" what is wrong here, but no one blinks. All countries who inherited the British system have the same problems over and over again unless they changed their system as Canada did. Except in this country they made it even worse by playing the "money" game. I still guess that an revolution and an total "system" change is the only solution. "Presidents" who have no limits become dictators; the time of "dictators" is long gone, except in a few countries without "freedom" which stick to it and Trump "loves" them.

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    The picture below was taken at one of my local grocery stores last March:

    Toilet paper and paper towels were missing from the shelves because too many people were hoarding them.

    For a period of time, a roll of toilet paper was worth more than a barrel of oil, because oil futures were actually negative for part of the year last year.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/oil-prices-went-negative-a-year-ago-heres-what-traders-have-learned-since-11618863839

    There have been reports that the same thing is now happening in the Southeastern United States due to shortages caused by the shutdown of the Colonial Pipeline.

    • Gas stations across the US are running out in the wake of a crippling cyberattack.

    • The Colonial Pipeline that supplies the East Coast has been down since it was hacked last week.

    • Sixty percent of gas stations in Atlanta were out, one analyst said, and 25% across North Carolina.

    • See more stories on Insider's business page.

    More than 1,000 gas stations in eastern US states ran out of gasoline after a cyberattack knocked out a crucial US pipeline that supplies much of the region's gasoline.

    Price rises and panic-buying followed the news, which led to widespread shortages as operators struggled to move fuel supplies without the out-of-action Colonial Pipeline.

    According to data from the app GasBuddy, as of early Wednesday the worst-hit states were North Carolina, where 24.8% of stations were out of gas; Georgia, where 15.4% were empty; and Virginia, where 15% had run out.

    https://news.yahoo.com/more-1-000-gas-stations-102401834.html

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    I noticed today that also the gas stations in southern FL are running out; you can only get the 50% ethanol laced version.

    Like I've said before ; la la land for sure.

    1) throw Cheney under the bus.

    2) torpedo the "stock market"

    3) Let Israel on the "loose" again

    4) inflate all the commodity pricing

    5) the love fest continues with Trump

    6) raise the "gas" prices