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    I read this morning that the Tea Party is threatening to shut down the govetnment if the budget includes funding for Planned Parenthood.

    In 2013 the Tea Party (led by Ted "green eggs and ham" Cruz) shut down the government in order to prevent funding for Obamacare.

    I have also read that the Democrats would force a shutdown if the budget includes any funding for a border wall, which brings to mind this rhyme:

    Trumpty Dumpty wanted a wall

    Trumpty Dumpty had a great fall

    All the king's horses

    And all the king's men

    Couldn't make Trumpty Dumpty sane again

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    There will be a govt shutdown. And it's going to be a hell of a fight. The fat idiot and his evil clown posse are trying to destroy our government. So the Dems are left with a choice of allowing them to destroy or shutting it down and letting it die of starvation. Damned I f they do damned if they don't. They will sit back and allow the repubs to eat themselves . They can't get along with their on party they cannot govern. Give them all the rope they need to hang themselves. They will.
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    I read this morning that the Tea Party is threatening to shut down the govetnment if the budget includes funding for Planned Parenthood.

    In 2013 the Tea Party (led by Ted "green eggs and ham" Cruz) shut down the government in order to prevent funding for Obamacare.

    I have also read that the Democrats would force a shutdown if the budget includes any funding for a border wall, which brings to mind this rhyme:

    Trumpty Dumpty wanted a wall

    Trumpty Dumpty had a great fall

    All the king's horses

    And all the king's men

    Couldn't make Trumpty Dumpty sane again

    Trump does have to fear some republicans, and some hard right freedom caucus people, about 23 of them. He'll find out what Obama went through, and what the republican party went through too. Nice poem.
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    In 2012, the owner of a Florida-based hospitality company warned employees that he might have to eliminate their jobs if Obama got re-elected.

    A man who has funneled thousands of dollars in donations to President Trump’s campaign warned his employees of layoffs and a bleak future for their company if the president is not reelected.

    George Daniels, the president of Orlando-based Daniels Manufacturing Corporation, wrote a letter placed in pay stub envelopes that said some employees might lose their jobs if Trump loses the election Nov. 3, WESH 2 News in Orlando reported.

    “If President Trump and the Republicans win, DMC will hopefully be able to continue operating, more or less as it has been operating lately,” the letter reads, according to WESH, which obtained it through one of the company’s employees.

    “However, if Biden and the Democrats win, DMC could be forced to begin permanent layoffs, beginning in late 2020 and/or early 2021,” the letter continues.

    Federal campaign finance records show Daniels has made contributions of hundreds of thousands of dollars to Trump’s campaign and the political action committees supporting him — including the Trump Make America Great Again Committee and Trump Victory — as well as other Republican candidates in and outside of Florida.

    In a video report produced by WESH, a Trump 2020 flag can be seen flying at the entrance to the Daniels Manufacturing facility.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/19/florida-company-trump/

    You would think that this type of pressure should be illegal - but it's not.

    A spokesperson for Federal Elections Commission said there are laws that restrict employers from inducing employees to give money or fundraise for a certain candidate. (However, that did not stop Louis DeJoy from requiring his employees to make contributions, WHICH HE LATER REIMBURSED WITH BONUSES.)

    But there are no federal election laws relating to voting recommendations or even implied threats.

    https://www.cnbc.com/id/49421240

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    Our democracy has been a messy affair ever since its founding. What I did not realize until this morning is that Abraham Lincoln's run for office had striking similarities to the politics of today.

    Financial irregularities.

    Armed resistance.

    Racial innuendo.

    Fake news.

    Assassination threats.

    Voter suppression.

    "Don't tread on me".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/30/opinion/lincoln-trump-1860-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Our democracy has been a messy affair ever since its founding. What I did not realize until this morning is that Abraham Lincoln's run for office had striking similarities to the politics of today.

    Financial irregularities.

    Armed resistance.

    Racial innuendo.

    Fake news.

    Assassination threats.

    Voter suppression.

    "Don't tread on me".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/30/opinion/lincoln-trump-1860-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Which means that this country has learned nothing in a couple of centuries. Neither are the "laws" improved, because it works fine for all the "crooks" here including the President. It is still "hillbilly" country for at least about 45% who still think it is 1800, and have "crooked lawyers" who allow you to runaround openly with "big guns" to shoot at everything what moves or is "liberal". Congratulations America you get the "medal" for being the most "backward" part of the British (non-any-more) Empire.Wink
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    HCR had a few comments last night that remind us that history often repeats itself.

    Today’s Republican Party has traveled a long way from the party of Abraham Lincoln.

    In the 1850s, the Republican Party rose to stand against a small group of wealthy southern white slaveholders who had taken over the government. Those slaveholders made up only about 1% of the American South. They ran the Democratic Party, but they knew their system of human enslavement was unpopular and that they were in a political minority even in the Democratic Party. It was only a question of time until the majority began to hem in their ownership of other human beings.

    So when folks started to urge the government to promote infrastructure in the growing nation, building roads or dredging harbors, for example, these southern leaders worried that if the government began to intervene in the economy, the regulation of slavery would be just around the corner. They pushed back by insisting that the government could do nothing that was not expressly written in the Constitution. Even if the vast majority of the people in the country wanted the government to do something, it could not.

    (This is a view held by Brett Kavanagh and Amy Coney Barrett).

    As pressure grew for government to promote economic growth for ordinary Americans, the southern slaveholders worked to cement their power. They courted poor white voters, telling them that any attempt to regulate slavery was an effort to lift Black people over them. From their stronghold in the Senate, southern leaders stopped legislation to develop the country and instead pushed laws that spread slavery into the West. When northerners objected, southern leaders packed the Supreme Court and got it to agree that Congress could not stop the spread of southern slavery even across the entire nation. But while they insisted the federal government could not promote the economy for ordinary Americans, they demanded a sweeping federal slave code to protect slavery in the West.

    Their system was best for the nation, they explained. Society was made up of a mass of workers, drudges who weren’t terribly smart, but were strong and loyal. They were the “mudsills” of society, akin to the wood hammered into the ground that supported the grand plantation homes above. Directed by their betters, these mudsills produced capital, which accumulated in the hands of the wealthy. There, it did far more good than if it were distributed among those who had produced it, because society’s leaders used their wealth to innovate and build the economy, doing what was best for the workers, who could not understand their own interests. The nation thrived.

    To secure this system, though, it was imperative that the mudsills could not vote. If they could, workers would demand more of the wealth they produced. White southerners had enslaved their laborers, South Carolina Senator James Henry Hammond told his northern colleagues in 1858, but northerners had not, and they foolishly allowed them to vote. “If they knew the tremendous secret, that the ballot-box is stronger than "an army with banners," and could combine, where would you be?” Hammond demanded. “Your society would be reconstructed, your government overthrown, your property divided… by the quiet process of the ballot-box.”

    Men like Abraham Lincoln organized to overturn the idea that they were mindless workers, doomed to menial labor for life. In 1859, Lincoln articulated a new vision for the nation, putting ordinary men, rather than elite slaveholders, at the heart of national development.

    Lincoln’s “Free Labor” theory held that the nation worked best when the government supported ordinary men rather than a wealthy elite. Ordinary men worked more intelligently and innovated more freely than an elite, and when the government used its power to free up resources for them, they built the economy far more efficiently than the enslaved workers who were hampered by the commands of an out-of-touch plantation owner. Rather than shunning economic development, the government should embrace it, they said, spreading free labor, rather than slavery, across the West.

    When Lincoln won the 1860 election, southern leaders refused to accept the results of the election. They left the Union to launch a new nation that rejected the idea of human equality and was instead based on human enslavement.

    Left in charge of the government, the new Republican Party rebuilt it according to Lincoln’s vision. To pay the enormous cost of the Civil War, they invented our first national system of taxation, including the income tax. Then, to enable people to pay those taxes, they spread opportunity to ordinary men, giving them western land (that we now recognize belonged to indigenous people), establishing our state universities, and building a railroad to take people across the country. Ultimately, they included Black men in their vision, abolishing slavery, establishing Black citizenship, and guaranteeing Black men the right to vote so they could protect their own interests.

    Under the leadership of the Republican Party, Americans were, Lincoln reminded them, resolving “that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

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    Beautiful story; however we are not living in 1800, except an huge bunch of Trumpers. I've never seen an country who is so "stuck" in their past. Horse and buggy thinking won't work in 2020. As I wrote many times the "system" here is bound to fail ask Boris; he's now battling the same thing as here. My friends in Europe just sent me an piece of what is happening in Britain now. It kind of "mirrors" our situation.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/14/attacks-by-pms-ousted-aide-left-new-press-chief-in-tears?

    Sorry the British Empire is gone; forget it. Make the laws proper and get rid of the British structure, if not then the same situation as now will be repeated over and over again. Sorry this country is stuck in the British "mud" and "clothed cream"

    I guess the biggest mistake here is having copied the British crap and made it even worse. It shows.

    Yes it is the American " experiment" done by using the wrong "base". You can't fix something which was started already with the wrong "writing" with bandaids. Trump knew if you kick in "loyalty" into an lousy system then the whole "castle" collapses. Ask Mc Connell as well on how you can easily trample and by-pass the British system here. Sorry this country is laughable right now because they try to fix worn out shoes with huge holes in it.

    When are they going to "wake up " here? I guess only when it is too late. The typical "arrogance" here will hasten the end of this country.