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The threat of war with North Korea

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    MSN, Daily Telegraph: China and Russia dispatch ships to shadow Donald Trump’s 'armada' as it approaches North Korean waters - Japanese media report

    China has sought Russian help to avert a possible Trump military action against North Korea. Both China and Russia are shadowing "Donald Trump's armada" headed to North Korean waters. So what happens if Trump (and/or Madog Matttis) decides that they cannot back down now and must "do something" after making so many threats?

    It's kind of like Bush putting troops and tanks on Iraq's border and giving impossible ultimatums to Saddam Hussein before invading Iraq. Can Ivanka talk some sense into Trump's brain?

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    Trump is the extreme example of exceptionalism.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote:

    "Lovely and honorable it is to die for one's country." -- Horace 65 - 8 BC, Odes

    As long as mankind has existed, we have found ways to wage war. The reasons vary from rational and irrational actors to religious ideology to ideological ethnic cleansing, to anger and revenge, and now preemptive and preventive wars. But also more significantly the worldviews of the decision-makers versus the populace.

    "I’m a war president. I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign-policy matters with war on my mind. Again, I wish it wasn’t true, but it is true. And the American people need to know they got a president who sees the world the way it is. And I see dangers that exist, and it’s important for us to deal with them." -- George W. Bush, February 7, 2004 interview with NBC's Tim Russert

    I agree with wwjd and others above: Donald Trump may not have started out as a "war president" but the adulation that this narcissist gets from shooting a few missiles and dropping a big bomb feeds his ego. Perhaps like Bush before him whose ratings shot up after 9/11 and his decision to go to war against the evil Saddam Hussein, Trump having taken action against the evil Kim Jung-un will also one day bask in the glory of being a "war president".

    I can't find the thread, where someone gave an list of all the wars we've been in. Yes this is the worst country in the world in mind and action related to starting wars all over during its short history. An very sick mentality indeed especially of the "white christian superior race" teachings . It is time we realize that militarism does not help you to get an better life; neither does fanatic religion.

    Here you are Dutch.

    washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/america-war...

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Declare a no fly condition for weapons carrying rockets. No harm to people but when one is being prepared for operational status neutralize it. Laser or small bomb.

    A no fly zone is an act of war. What do you think will happen if our military begins hitting North Korean targets? Will the thousands of short and medium range missiles pointed at South Korea and Japan just magically go away?

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: "but I'm also against preemptively striking a country that hasn't hit us first."

    Since a nuclear offensive first strike is catastrophic then consider a condition of imminent operational status to be the first hit. Respond with a limited offensive hit to the delivery system. There is probably enough Reagan STar wars technology left to concentrate on ground targets.

    I'm not worried about North Korea firing an intercontinental ballistic missile towards American shores. I'm worried about North Korea wiping out Seoul and Tokyo as an act of desperation. That would undoubtedly require a massive response from us because we have tens of thousands of American soldiers and diplomats located in those two cities.

    Preemptively striking North Korea with a "limited offensive hit to the delivery system" may set their nuclear program back a few years or so, but they will undoubtedly respond and launch thousands of missiles at Seoul and Tokyo. Ronald's Star War's technology would be absolutely useless when it comes to defending against short and medium range missiles, especially if they fire off thousands at once.

    That's why Donald's saber rattling is so dangerous. Yea, we can wipe out North Korea if we wanted to, but the costs will be astronomical in both lives and treasure. And North Korea knows it.

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    Schmidt Wrote: China has sought Russian help to avert a possible Trump military action against North Korea. Both China and Russia are shadowing "Donald Trump's armada" headed to North Korean waters. So what happens if Trump (and/or Madog Matttis) decides that they cannot back down now and must "do something" after making so many threats?

    That's what I'm most concerned about. Donald has built an image on "winning" and he now has the United States military at his disposal to kowtow to his narcissistic desires.

    Our Constitution is not set up to push back against someone like Donald. He is the Commander-in-chief and the military is bound to carry out his orders no matter how crazy they are.

    I'm sorry I keep bringing it up, but this is yet another reason why I will never forgive "Bernie or Bust" and Jill Stein voters. They seem to have forgotten that the President is the sole person in charge of the nuclear arsenal before staying home in November or voting for someone who had zero chance of winning.

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    I am not trying to hijack this thread but you are so right Jared about voter apathy, it is a real national disgrace, it appears that the single issue voters hold sway over the truly informed voter who votes after hearing all the available information on the candidates and issues. Again , I am not hijacking the thread but it is just that your post hit the nail on the head.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: China has sought Russian help to avert a possible Trump military action against North Korea. Both China and Russia are shadowing "Donald Trump's armada" headed to North Korean waters. So what happens if Trump (and/or Madog Matttis) decides that they cannot back down now and must "do something" after making so many threats?

    That's what I'm most concerned about. Donald has built an image on "winning" and he now has the United States military at his disposal to kowtow to his narcissistic desires.

    Our Constitution is not set up to push back against someone like Donald. He is the Commander-in-chief and the military is bound to carry out his orders no matter how crazy they are.

    I'm sorry I keep bringing it up, but this is yet another reason why I will never forgive "Bernie or Bust" and Jill Stein voters. They seem to forget that the President is the sole person in charge of the nuclear arsenal before staying home in November or voting for someone who had zero chance of winning.

    I was totally oblivious to Jill Stein until she filed a lawsuit in Wisconsin. Bernie or bust? I never heard of that one, maybe I haven't been around. But, right now, at this moment, I'll say you'd rather have a Bernie than a Trump. As for me, it was, and still is ABT (anybody but Trump)

    I watched Charlie Rose this afternoon, like I try to do daily, he had Michael Morell on as a guest, I listened very carefully as he spoke, he said the same things you wrote in this post, fear of NK taking out SK and anything else he could, he said there are 2 egos at work, Trumps and NK's leader, which is a dangerous situation, and I agree with you, and Mr. Morell. He also said that Americans who are government employees (DOD etc..) are cautiously fearful because of the many unknowns about NK's weapons.

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    It now has come to light that the carrier group shown plowing through the sea ostensibly toward the Korean peninsula was actually on its way to Australia . Trump lied again. His administration lied again. McMasters lied also. No carrier group is or was headed toward the Korean peninsula. They are all lying.

    They frightened the shit out of millions of people all over the world ,and it was all just another lie.

    Don't take my word from this. Check it yourself.

    I think they work to create as much confusion and fear as they can. It's all part of their plan . This is a coup.

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    I saw that on tonight's news also. Total fabrication and misinformation aka lies. When announced that they were headed towards N. Korea, they were instead heading towards Australia.

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    I believed the carrier group was headed to NK too, but, like many of us, we bought the 8 years of lies with the Bush admin.'s WMD story in Iraq. We're nothing but a bunch of suckers, and Washington elites are nothing but a bunch of liars.
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    I'm not so sure it was a lie but rather incompetence with the left hand not telling the right hand what they are doing. That may be even more scary in the sense if we go to war we need to make sure everyone is communicating with each other. Most importantly that includes the Commander-in-Chief who sometimes seems to not be on the same page as his generals who he has delegated much of his authority to.

    The Atlantic, March 1, 2017: Trump and the Generals

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I'm not so sure it was a lie but rather incompetence with the left hand not telling the right hand what they are doing. That may be even more scary in the sense if we go to war we need to make sure everyone is communicating with each other. Most importantly that includes the Commander-in-Chief who sometimes seems to not be on the same page as his generals who he has delegated much of his authority to.

    The Atlantic, March 1, 2017: Trump and the Generals

    Doing things this way, is extremely dangerous ; now N.K. thinks we are always bluffing and they can do whatever they want because we are an "fake" entity somewhere on the globe.
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    I think it started with empty threats. You had better watch out for the fearless super power, we are going to show up and intimidate you. Damn, people fact check everything. He is accustomed to lies and misinformation being standard for his followers. He should be questioned and held accountable for all comments. Media needs to report bad statements and bad information 100% of the time. President Obama was given nothing and the exact standards must be shown for his joke of a presidency.
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    What would Republicans say if this happened under a Hillary Clinton administration?
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    Mrs. Clinton or any other democrat administration would never have sent ships to a potential war zone and told anyone about it. Trump on the other hand keeps saying he's not going to telegraph his next move....ahhhh, excuse me but, he just told the whole fucking world he's sending a carrier group to the Korean peninsula, and then to find out, he was just pulling everybody's crank. Keep telegraphing Donald, you incompetent ass.

    Heaven forbid America ever get's into a major conflict somewhere, these buffoons couldn't lead a dog to water. They keep misleading the press (his mission in life) and the world.