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The "mother of all bombs"

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    MSN News, April 13, 2017: U.S. drops "mother of all bombs" in Afghanistan, marking weapon's first use

    The U.S. military dropped the “mother of all bombs” on a complex of caves used by ISIS in Afghanistan. The official name of the bomb is the GBU-43 weighing more than 21,000 lb and with an explosive force equal to 11 tons of TNT. According to the Pentagon it is the largest non-nuclear bomb ever used in combat. Trump called the mission “another very, very successful mission.”

    Why is the Trump administration calling attention to this bomb now? Is this another "feel good" moment for Americans? Another diversion? Or a display of our power to the Russians and North Koreans?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    For those interested, the US is considering making an even more lethal bomb.

    MSN, Newsweek, April 16, 2017: U.S. Army Considers Super-Weapon to Counter Russia

    Called the Kinetic Energy Projectile, the weapon is a tungsten-based warhead launched at more than three times the speed of sound that bursts into numerous flaming, metal fragments easily capable of piercing most conventional types of armor, according to Aviation Week. The Army is looking into fitting the new super-weapon onto existing launch platforms that are capable of supplying sufficient charge to shoot the projectile at such speeds. One reason for the weapon would be to respond to Russia's pursuit of miniaturized nuclear warheads fired by tanks.

    Is this the new cold war between the USA and Russia...making bigger and more sophisticated bombs? I wonder how much this program will cost.

  • Democrat
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    I would presume that because of the nature of the terrain and it's vast array of caves and tunnels and to spare possible U.S. Soldiers lives if they would have to ferret them out sometime in the near future, this device seems practical,it might also be signal to Iran that we can still get to their fortified nuclear arsenal buried underground.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: I would presume that because of the nature of the terrain and it's vast array of caves and tunnels and to spare possible U.S. Soldiers lives if they would have to ferret them out sometime in the near future, this device seems practical,it might also be signal to Iran that we can still get to their fortified nuclear arsenal buried underground.
    Nah, Afghanistan is probably the military's new proving ground for weapons, since they can't test those types here in the states.
  • Democrat
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    it has been tested ,both as a water test and a land test, I watched a video of the tests, and it appears there were two tests ,one over the water and another in a desert area, both were in the US ,.as it was back then a big secret weapon against the Taliban. So I will stick with my original theory

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Why is the Trump administration calling attention to this bomb now? Is this another "feel good" moment for Americans? Another diversion? Or a display of our power to the Russians and North Koreans?

    To answer your question with a serious answer, Trump has a very deep need for positive attention. Ultimately all his decisions are centered around feeding his ego. His addiction is just as bad a heroin addict need for a daily fix. It's possible that what he needs and what is wise decision provide the same results, but it's a huge risk, because of it is far easier to feed his ego with actions that only have short term solutions (ie like a sugar high). If dropping bombs gets him positive attention from world leaders and the American people, then he will keep doing it. However, there will be a point where there is one military action too many, and the results we see on the news will be far far worse than gassed children.

    I don't make the analogy to a heroin addict lightly because I fully perceive that he's not able to consider the repercussions of any of his discussions. He can't handle doing the right thing if that means turning down feeding his ego. Ego, like heroin, wins 100% of the time, no matter what the cost might be. He'll tell coal miners he'll bring back prosperity because they love him for saying it, but the reality for coal miners is that it's unlikely they will ever see a rise in jobs because it's beyond Trumps ability to deliver. He misleads them to feed his ego, which is so, so sad. When they see he can't' deliver, he will, likely he always does, pointing the finger at others blaming some nebulous person, or country, as being the root of their problems, and he's still on their side.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes, he craves adulation, a symptom of his narcissistic personality disorder. That's why he continues to have campaign rallies because the cheering hand selected crowds of supporters give him that "fix". And now he is flexing his muscle and making threats of a "preemptive strike" against North Korea if they conduct another nuclear test. Is he bluffing, or would he carry through on his threat?

    MSN: U.S. May Launch Strike If North Korea Reaches For Nuclear Trigger

    Just our heavy military presence in the area might be enough for Kim Jung-Un to take action on his own. Maybe that's what Trump wants...make them "shoot first" so he can retaliate. Dangerous game he is playing...but are the generals now in charge?

  • Independent
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    The military actions have been an effective news distraction from Trumps many other problems. And someone within his inner circle has managed to prevent Trump from sending self-destructive tweets during the various bombings.

    While I'm parodying Trump, it's easy to envision something like this:

    Newsreport: The US bombed Seria today, and minutes later the president tweeted that Rosie O'donnell is a 'fat cow'.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Also on a separate note,

    MSN: Here's the father of all bombs: Russia's answer to the MOAB

    Russia has the "Father of All Bombs," (FOAB), a thermobaric bomb four times bigger than our MOAB. It has a destruction radius of nearly 1,000 feet and a blast yield of nearly 44 tons of TNT. Unlike the MOAB, it "explodes in midair, igniting a fuel-air mixture. It vaporizing targets and collapses structures, producing blasts and aftershocks as powerful as a small nuclear blast but without the same radioactive fallout."

    Wow.

  • Independent
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    This country is absolutely "sick" . Even the news is now more positive about Trump. Thus he threw some tomahawks and an huge bomb, that makes him all of a sudden an fantastic leader.? Where are the brains here? Is everyone so "militaristicly" indoctrinated that they "love" all of this? I guess Obama wanted to stop "wars" Trump promotes these, for his own glory.

    Again as I said way before these are "diversion" tactics; nothing else. In the meantime they again drag mothers away from their autistic help needed kids ; the piece of filth (Sessions) smiles while doing this and is proud while announcing more deportations; an real hero indeed.

    No, Dem's members and the media, nothing has changed; Trump remains the same idiot and is as dangerous as he always was.

    An other typical thing Trump said: "MY military" . I believe it does not belong to him; it is paid for by the taxpayers and not him. He acts like any "dictator" who thinks the whole country is "owned" by him. An dangerous "sick " person

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    And now he is flexing his muscle and making threats of a "preemptive strike" against North Korea if they conduct another nuclear test. Is he bluffing, or would he carry through on his threat?

    Similar questions have been asked in various columns and on TV, and the general response has been nobody is certain, most of all Trump is not sure if he is bluffing or not, and not likely to know until the very moment he decides to take action. In other words, it all depend on which way the wind is blowing when Trump is forced to make a decision, or he sees an opportunity to make himself look good. While is ruthless to state, events like the gassing of refugees deals Trump a near perfect hand to take more military action, not because it will solve any problems, but it's likely to temporarily improve his low popularity and it distracts from the problems he having domestically.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I suppose all we can do is sit and watch it all unfold. The generals say they won't act unilaterally...that they will get South Korea to sign off on any military action against North Korea. I just hope Trump and his generals are doing all this for theater and that his "red line in the sand" a North Korea nuclear test is just a bluff.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote:

    it has been tested ,both as a water test and a land test, I watched a video of the tests, and it appears there were two tests ,one over the water and another in a desert area, both were in the US ,.as it was back then a big secret weapon against the Taliban. So I will stick with my original theory

    Can you provide any links to those videos?

    I know the US has used those on Tora Bora, was this the same thing as the bunker buster? Or, is the bunker buster a smaller version of this MOAB?

  • Independent
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    Dockadams Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote:

    it has been tested ,both as a water test and a land test, I watched a video of the tests, and it appears there were two tests ,one over the water and another in a desert area, both were in the US ,.as it was back then a big secret weapon against the Taliban. So I will stick with my original theory

    Can you provide any links to those videos?

    I know the US has used those on Tora Bora, was this the same thing as the bunker buster? Or, is the bunker buster a smaller version of this MOAB?

    To even talk about this idiotic nonsense is showing that "bombs" and "guns" are more important here than common sense and proper governing. These bombs and warmongering surely will help this country move ahead. Go study something else.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I was watching a Japanese news show and Trump described the bombing like the Air Force did it on their own initiative. Trump is pushing people that have honor, glory and reward in dying. I think he is inviting a greater degree of retaliation.