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Bannon out of Security Council.Why? And what does it really mean?

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  • Independent
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    cnn.com/2017/04/05/politics/steve-banno...

    Has Trump lost faith in Bannon, or is Trump trying to distance himself from Bannon for reasons that could sink Trump?

    Your thoughts?

  • Center Left
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    I was pleased to read this earlier. This link provides some info.

    newsforthedigitalage.com/2017/04/05/whi...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    TJ -- Yes, this is why Jared Kushner is the de facto head of everything. He's got his father-in-law's back.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    New York Times, April 5, 2017: Bannon’s Out. But Did H.R. McMaster Win?

    While this might appear to be a win for McMasters and common sense, the NYT article suggests that "President Trump’s national security team remains as weak and dysfunctional as ever."

    Mr. Cohen-Watnick, the 30 year senior director for intelligence programs and old holdover from Michael Flynn’s national security adviser role is still in place despite McMasters attempt to get rid of him. Recall that when McMasters tried to push him out as unqualified, he complained to Bannon and Jared Kushner, who prevailed on Mr. Trump to have him reinstated.

    Cohen-Watnick position has previously been held by senior career C.I.A. officers in the Obama administration and other presidents. He has no qualifications and is not respected by others.

    So maybe it's Jared Kushner who has the last word...again. Why does his name keep coming up every where?

  • Independent
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    The speculation by various left oriented columista\commentators is that Trump was not liking that Bannon was upstaging him in the media with such labels as "President Bannon" on Fox and Friends. The NSC changes made were more to create the perception that Bannon is being demoted to giving advice on designing next year Christmas card, when in fact very little has changed. For example, Bannon still can go NSC meetings, receives briefings, and keeps all his high-level security access, but does so more as an advisor that reports back to the Trump.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd -- Yes, I agree. Trump hates to be upstaged. It's one of the symptoms of his narcissistic personality disorder. However, sometimes he cannot avoid being upstaged such as when Germany's Angela Merkel came to visit. He was awfully uncomfortable in her presence because she stood out as a world leader and made him look small. Actually he made himself look small sitting in that chair beside her with his hands clenched between his legs staring at the floor.

    On the other hand, world leaders that know how to play to his weakness (the need for adulation) can get something from him. King Abdullah of Jordan seemed to go out of his way to praise Trump in their brief press conference, and that sat well with Trump. We'll see if the King Abdullah really gets concessions from Trump or was it all for show. You never know with Trump.

    Bannon has been upstaging Trump behind the scenes and in the media, and Jared Kushner is now intervening.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    wwjd -- Yes, I agree. Trump hates to be upstaged. It's one of the symptoms of his narcissistic personality disorder. However, sometimes he cannot avoid being upstaged such as when Germany's Angela Merkel came to visit. He was awfully uncomfortable in her presence because she stood out as a world leader and made him look small. Actually he made himself look small sitting in that chair beside her with his hands clenched between his legs staring at the floor.

    On the other hand, world leaders that know how to play to his weakness (the need for adulation) can get something from him. King Abdullah of Jordan seemed to go out of his way to praise Trump in their brief press conference, and that sat well with Trump. We'll see if the King Abdullah really gets concessions from Trump or was it all for show. You never know with Trump.

    Bannon has been upstaging Trump behind the scenes and in the media, and Jared Kushner is now intervening.

    Schmidt; I guess that is not the case; it was McMasters who got rid of him; furthermore he will still be doing what he was doing according to the news last night. Thus actually nothing has changed he is still allowed to sit in on the National Security Counsil.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    McMasters would like both Bannon and Colin-Watnick out of the NSC entirely as neither are remotely qualified for these highly professional positions. Bannon lost his position as a "principal" but nevertheless still attends the NSC meetings. Colin-Watnick is there only because of Jared Kushner's intervention. Colin-Watnick is there to spy on the agency and "leak" back to the White House.
  • Center Left
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    Spin doctors. Things are 98% the same but these "actions" make it "seem" like Trump is getting more control.
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote: Spin doctors. Things are 98% the same but these "actions" make it "seem" like Trump is getting more control.
    Absolutely correct both of you; but I wonder how long the close group around Trump will last; there was also talk about Tillerson that he may have to step down. Also I wonder about Mikki Haley; she's an excellent representative in the UN, but does not preach from Trumps "Mein Kampf", thus Trump may not like that.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    It's good news that Bannon is off the principles committee of the NSC, but he still maintains the highest level of security clearance and is still one of Donald's most trusted advisers. He has Donald's ear more than H.R. McMaster or anyone else on the NSC ever will.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: It's good news that Bannon is off the principles committee of the NSC, but he still maintains the highest level of security clearance and is still one of Donald's most trusted advisers. He has Donald's ear more than H.R. McMaster or anyone else on the NSC ever will.
    Well, except maybe for Jared who is just loaded with experience in these matters.
  • Center Left
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    Once a deplorable bigot.... This lack of a dignified approach was surprising. Hopefully it's worse than I thought.

    addictinginfo.org/2017/04/06/report-ban...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The Addicting Info article says Bannon routinely calls Kushner a "cuck" and a "globalist"...firy words in the lexicon of the far right. Their last paragraph sums up the White House staff nicely.

    "Sources have been leaking details non-stop and the picture is ugly. Pence hates Priebus. Trump hates Priebus. Trump hates Spicer. Spicer hates himself. Kushner hates Bannon. Bannon hates Kushner. Trump’s new National Security Advisor hates Trump and everyone else in the White House. It’s a circus."

    What do you expect for a candidate who ran for the presidency on a platform full of hate.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    The Addicting Info article says Bannon routinely calls Kushner a "cuck" and a "globalist"...firy words in the lexicon of the far right. Their last paragraph sums up the White House staff nicely.

    "Sources have been leaking details non-stop and the picture is ugly. Pence hates Priebus. Trump hates Priebus. Trump hates Spicer. Spicer hates himself. Kushner hates Bannon. Bannon hates Kushner. Trump’s new National Security Advisor hates Trump and everyone else in the White House. It’s a circus."

    What do you expect for a candidate who ran for the presidency on a platform full of hate.

    I TRULY hope it is that bad because it means they won't get their act together.

    The last thing we want is for them to get coordinated enough to actually do some really bad shit. Hope that most of the time they are just pissing all over each other, over dumb stuff like who sits next to who at the meeting table, and refuse to attend if they have to sit next to a list of 10+ people they personally want fired.

    The only one I feel slightly bad for is Spicer. When watching the daily briefing, half the time I get the sense he's knows he's trying to sell sand on the beach at a price higher than gold, and go further to suggest that people are morons for not buying it.