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Trump is Finding Out That You Can't Run a Country Like a Business

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  • jaredsxtn
    2017-03-24 02:27:48 PM
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    Donald's health care bill is on the verge of going down in flames even before the Senate has a chance to rip it to shreds and that must be a very bitter pill to swallow for someone who is used to getting his way all the time. What our dear leader is starting to find out is that running a private business is just a little different than running the Federal government.

    Trump is used to being able to strong arm business deals, but what he didn't seem to understand before taking over as President is that there are 535 independent (in theory) people who have the power to tell him whether he can have what he wants or not. If enough of them say "no" then he can complain all he wants, but he's still not going to get it.

    Someone, somewhere, should have informed Donald that he wouldn't be able to run the Federal government like a private business. He can threaten a Congressperson or Senator all he wants, but that Congressperson and Senator is going to (most of the time) vote in a way that will keep their constituents happy. Trump doesn't have to go to town halls to face angry voters in his district, but legislators sure do.

    That's why I always shook my head every time Donald promised his adoring fans that he was going to drain the swamp and run the country like the successful businessman he supposedly is. (We can discuss the fact that he would be a hell of a lot richer if he just invested the money his daddy gave him in index funds in another thread.) Negotiating international trade deals and passing major pieces of legislation is just a wee bit different than negotiating the construction of a hotel.

  • wwjd
    2017-03-24 04:10:47 PM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Trump is used to being able to strong arm business deals, but what he didn't seem to understand before taking over as President is that there are 535 independent (in theory) people who have the power to tell him whether he can have what he wants or not. If enough of them say "no" then he can complain all he wants, but he's still not going to get it.

    This is especially true where I live, Washington state. Obamacare is working well in Washington State and is overwhelmingly supported. We have 4 republican representatives, and for them to attempt to remove Obamacare would be a high risk for them; Obamacare has increased coverage for a few million throughout the state and reduced overall costs. Even Republicans in the state tend to like it, or at least not hate so much they want to get rid of it for some unknown plan.

    That's why I always shook my head every time Donald promised his adoring fans that he was going to drain the swamp and run the country like the successful businessman he supposedly is.

    I agree. My perception remains he never thought he had a realistic chance to of being elected, so he could say anything he wanted. The plan (if you can call it a plan) was to spend the next four years being in the media spotlight opposing President Hillary Clinton, using is campaign promises as weapons. If not elected, he probably would have post campaign rallies saying BS like:

    "I told America during my campaign she was a liar, loser and total corrupted, if I had been elected, my campaign promises would be already be passed into law. Omabacare: GONE!, Wall built: DONE, illegal Immigrants: 100% Deported, Radical Islam terrorists-Killed, but look at Crooked Hillary, she's done absolutely nothing except lie to the American people; a total bitch. She doesn't know how to tell the truth, because she is pathological. She shouldn't be president, the bitch should be in jail, along with Blackie Obama who was really born in a terrorist country somewhere. Trust me, I know, because I know people inside the government, FBI, CIA, and NSA that tell me what is really going on, not what fake media is lying to you about"

  • Chet Ruminski
    2017-03-24 08:37:59 PM
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    "We couldn’t get one Democratic vote,” he said."

    Trump just said that about his failed Healthcare and it identifies him as a clueless sociopath. Why would a Democratic vote for his law and why doesn't he know the answer?

  • Chet Ruminski
    2017-03-24 08:51:36 PM
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    "My perception remains he never thought he had a realistic chance to of being elected, so he could say anything he wanted."

    There is no evidence to support Trump wanted to be President. There is substantial proof to the contrary including and not the least that he didn't respond with a huge infusion of money at the end. He was losing but it was close. A genuine candidate would have dumped every last red cent into their campaign trying to win. His action at the contradicts a genuine candidate's. So the accidental President has to put on a show.

  • lonely bird
    2017-03-24 11:01:31 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "My perception remains he never thought he had a realistic chance to of being elected, so he could say anything he wanted."

    There is no evidence to support Trump wanted to be President. There is substantial proof to the contrary including and not the least that he didn't respond with a huge infusion of money at the end. He was losing but it was close. A genuine candidate would have dumped every last red cent into their campaign trying to win. His action at the contradicts a genuine candidate's. So the accidental President has to put on a show.

    Actually Chet, I think he did want to be president. He did not want to have govern and be involved with what the actual duties and responsibilities of being president entailed. Imo, he likely thought, and he stated it during the campaign, that he could fob everything off on Pence whom the Republican Party loved and the he would be free to play the jet setter and alleged deal maker. What he got was a shitload more grief than he was even vaguely prepared for. Added onto that is an inability to actually understand politics. He claimed he learned a lot from the healthcare bill process and perhaps he did. And his comments regarding democrats will resonate with that portion of the base that hates democrats no matter what. In essence I expect that the entire rest of his term will be spent running for re-election. And if the Democratic Party doesn't find a way to hammer the republicans on local, state and the federal level he very well may win again. The next mid-terms are the most crucial we have ever seen in my lifetime.
  • wwjd
    2017-03-24 11:44:39 PM
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    lonely bird Wrote: Imo, he likely thought, and he stated it during the campaign, that he could fob everything off on Pence whom the Republican Party loved and the he would be free to play the jet setter and alleged deal maker.

    Yes, if he could re-define his presidential duties, he would simply be the front\sales man who wines & dines everyone at Mar-a-largo, while Pence and rest of his staff deal with all the actual responsibilities of running the government. He'd love to just travel the US and the world giving rallies, and make deals while golfing with heads of states.

  • Schmidt
    2017-03-25 12:48:16 AM
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    He sees himself more as a chairman of the board than a hands on president. I agree that the rest of his presidency will all be about campaign rallies and tweets and dining with his kind. He needs the continual adulation of his base of followers to maintain his sanity...that and the retreat in Mar Lago.

    "Health care is complicated"...no shit. So is being president of all Americans.

  • pr
    2017-03-25 03:24:11 AM
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    Listening to Lie'n Ryan and Trumpy after the defeat was absolutely sickening. The worst thing was I didn't hear any commentator or Dem come out and call their bluf. As usual, they play the Repub line of BS as if it were fact and hardly ever point out to the ignorant 'merican voter how any of these Repubs dive a damn about them or anything but getting re-elected and getting wealthy at their expense.

    The craziest thing about this whole scam is the fact that the Dems and far right Cons were the ones that defeated a Trumpy and Lie'n Ryan.

    Not once did hear any politician or commentator come out and suggest it was time for single payer health insurance for all. This is an absolute no brainer that isn't even an option on the table!

  • Dutch
    2017-03-25 08:28:29 AM
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    The worst part of it is as Trump says that he will make sure the ACA will now become the "disaster", because he and his cronies will make sure (by sabotage) that it will fail and then blame the Dem's. That is how the "game" is being played.

    He also said the Dem's should have helped; sure, after they would have, he would then be the "savior" and dump the Dem's.

    The danger is still there that if the Dem's get involved to "fix" the ACA then the GOP will run with it, and still dump the Dem's. So there is never an win-win situation for the Dem's.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2017-03-25 11:10:57 AM
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    Now is the time to out trump Trump. The Dems should take the good lies of Trump and advance them.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2017-03-25 11:22:21 AM
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    Melanie warned him," You know if you run you will win."

    She proved the intent by not moving to the Whitehouse. The first lady does not have the right to that casual dismissing of the Whitehouse. But wait, she is following the lead of her husband by dismissing the Office of the President.

  • Schmidt
    2017-03-27 07:53:08 AM
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    With Trump running America as a business, it has been reported by several news sources that when German Chancellor Angela Merkel was here for her visit, Trump handed her an invoice for about £300 billion for NATO defenses. The invoice was for how much Germany fell below the 2 percent GDP expenditures for the past 12 years and then added interest.

    The White House is calling the reports as false. However, can we be sure? We know NATO payments were discussed, but did Trump have the gall to hand Merkel a piece of paper, the "invoice", to show how much Merkel has to make up for payments in arears, much like you get for not making payments due in the USA.?

    Maybe it was a talking point for Trump with the amount scratched down on a piece of paper, and if he chose to give that paper to Merkel it could be received as a threat...you know the kind of threats you get from a business if you forget to pay a bill.

    MSN News, The Hill: Trump handed £300B NATO 'invoice' to German chancellor: report

  • Dutch
    2017-03-27 08:39:42 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    With Trump running America as a business, it has been reported by several news sources that when German Chancellor Angela Merkel was here for her visit, Trump handed her an invoice for about £300 billion for NATO defenses. The invoice was for how much Germany fell below the 2 percent GDP expenditures for the past 12 years and then added interest.

    The White House is calling the reports as false. However, can we be sure? We know NATO payments were discussed, but did Trump have the gall to hand Merkel a piece of paper, the "invoice", to show how much Merkel has to make up for payments in arears, much like you get for not making payments due in the USA.?

    Maybe it was a talking point for Trump with the amount scratched down on a piece of paper, and if he chose to give that paper to Merkel it could be received as a threat...you know the kind of threats you get from a business if you forget to pay a bill.

    MSN News, The Hill: Trump handed £300B NATO 'invoice' to German chancellor: report

    Yes, that is how you create "friends"; I guess Merkel will sent an bill back for the cost of using the Ramstein base by the US, as well other damage done by the US "military" tourists. Anyway "bully" tactics have generally the oposite effect.
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