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No...Obamacare is not in a "death spiral"

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The Democratic Senators should come out in support of "Australia has better health insurance" and support that. Bernie has already said he will bring up the Trump quote.
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    How are you going to convince the 42% brainwashed la la land idiots who voted for Trump.? If any other country would be doing these things with an straight face, there would be an revolution. But yeah, it seems Americans just love B.S. talk and accept everything, like if an"used car" salesman says the "wreck" is an "gorgeous super car" How come this country has become that stupid?? I guess because it wants to be an arrogant "island" and refuses to look around how others do things. Related to healthcare we are running more than 40 years behind as well with infrastructure, let alone our election rules and antique gun laws. Thus the only solution is to EDUCATE people here and drastically reform things and think about how the real world does things.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch, Education is correct but the subject needs to be human rights, character and honesty. The country has been taught to scorn human rights and the poor. And both parties are guilty. The Republicans out of selfishness and the Democrats out of misguidance. The Republicans are self explanatory. The Democrats were the tragedy. The Democratic Party became populated with elitist that saw greater value in other things than human rights. Before a political party got involved in side issues they should have eliminated poverty and started providing for human rights. How can an electorate be expected to react when both parties deny human rights. If the Democratic Party had provided for the people the people themselves who are the most charitable segment would have supported the other issues. Human rights and people should be the only focus of the party. Treat people right and they will respond. Even with almost full employment most people are broke. It is not how many are employed but how well they are employed. Instead of cheering over low unemployment numbers the Democratic Party should be calling it BS and start demanding living wages by forcing prrmanent jobs on the economy. Nobody has been talking about it but the first big speech I hear about from Obama is to Wall Street.

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    Sanders and Warren are criticizing Obama's $400,000 Wall Street ...
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  • Independent
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Dutch, Education is correct but the subject needs to be human rights, character and honesty. The country has been taught to scorn human rights and the poor. And both parties are guilty. The Republicans out of selfishness and the Democrats out of misguidance. The Republicans are self explanatory. The Democrats were the tragedy. The Democratic Party became populated with elitist that saw greater value in other things than human rights. Before a political party got involved in side issues they should have eliminated poverty and started providing for human rights. How can an electorate be expected to react when both parties deny human rights. If the Democratic Party had provided for the people the people themselves who are the most charitable segment would have supported the other issues. Human rights and people should be the only focus of the party. Treat people right and they will respond. Even with almost full employment most people are broke. It is not how many are employed but how well they are employed. Instead of cheering over low unemployment numbers the Democratic Party should be calling it BS and start demanding living wages by forcing prrmanent jobs on the economy. Nobody has been talking about it but the first big speech I hear about from Obama is to Wall Street.

    Yes Chet, you got the right attitude; but attitude only does not work in this country. The point is if you allow the system to elect non vetted Presidents as well unqualified senators as well generals and billionaires etc. to run an country then you get what we have right now. There is no turning back, unless people get wiser; but that does not happen either because DeVos will make sure kids don't get any wiser. So when they get the voting age they will be as stupid as their parents.

    Thus this country does not want an change for the better; let the dumb one's vote, then we can with our eyes closed fill the pockets of the rich. That is what we want right?? Forget the poor they are useless, cost only money and are always complaining and don't help the society and don't need healthcare just let them die; problem solved, except the "beer" brewers and "weed"growers they are useful for them (that is the opinion of the Trump rulers: White Christian Superior Race) Get the barf bucket again.

  • Center Left
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    I looked up top Healthcare insurers and according to Forbes it's as follows - Name, market value, sales. All in Billions.

    United Health group, 130.5, 112.7

    Anthem, 41, 74

    Aetna, 38, 58

    Cigna, 33.8, 35

    Humana, 27.2, 48.5

    Centene, 8.6, 16.6

    Health Net, 4.5, 14

    Wellcare, 3.7, 13

    Molina, 3.2, 9.7

    Magellan, 1.9, 3.8

    I assumed they were struggling financially and a Google search said profits are strong. Maybe not at a percentage as high as some might prefer but things aren't so bad. Corporate greed versus patient care. They may be bitching but they're doing fine. With the newly suggested escape clause for pre existing, they'll make even more.

    consumeraffairs.com/news/health-insuran...

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    Well, the ACA does need help, I can testify to that.

    It doesn't need help. Anybody could list a bunch of random numbers like you just did. Obama said republicans are lying, everything is fine and that's what I'm choosing to believe.

  • Independent
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    Since I can't find another "healthcare subject" I put this thread under this heading.

    Right now the GOP is "fixing" healthcare behind close doors; The Dem's are roaring mad, but what can they do to stop this "takeover" in the Senate. Personally I'm not optimistic that the Dem's can stop the "vote" on an "document" which no one has seen or read. Thus what can the Dem's do to "railroad it?? But yeah it is an"loosing" proposition for the GOP, whichever way. If it ever ends up as "law" then the people who will be affected by it will be screaming till they die.

    Solutions??

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Hopefully we will elect Democrats to undo the wrong.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Citizen Barack Obama Facebook Message, June 22, 2017

    I have copied Obama's entire message below. Quoting Obama:

    Our politics are divided. They have been for a long time. And while I know that division makes it difficult to listen to Americans with whom we disagree, that’s what we need to do today.

    I recognize that repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act has become a core tenet of the Republican Party. Still, I hope that our Senators, many of whom I know well, step back and measure what’s really at stake, and consider that the rationale for action, on health care or any other issue, must be something more than simply undoing something that Democrats did.

    We didn’t fight for the Affordable Care Act for more than a year in the public square for any personal or political gain – we fought for it because we knew it would save lives, prevent financial misery, and ultimately set this country we love on a better, healthier course.

    Nor did we fight for it alone. Thousands upon thousands of Americans, including Republicans, threw themselves into that collective effort, not for political reasons, but for intensely personal ones – a sick child, a parent lost to cancer, the memory of medical bills that threatened to derail their dreams.

    And you made a difference. For the first time, more than ninety percent of Americans know the security of health insurance. Health care costs, while still rising, have been rising at the slowest pace in fifty years. Women can’t be charged more for their insurance, young adults can stay on their parents’ plan until they turn 26, contraceptive care and preventive care are now free. Paying more, or being denied insurance altogether due to a preexisting condition – we made that a thing of the past.

    We did these things together. So many of you made that change possible.

    At the same time, I was careful to say again and again that while the Affordable Care Act represented a significant step forward for America, it was not perfect, nor could it be the end of our efforts – and that if Republicans could put together a plan that is demonstrably better than the improvements we made to our health care system, that covers as many people at less cost, I would gladly and publicly support it.

    That remains true. So I still hope that there are enough Republicans in Congress who remember that public service is not about sport or notching a political win, that there’s a reason we all chose to serve in the first place, and that hopefully, it’s to make people’s lives better, not worse.

    But right now, after eight years, the legislation rushed through the House and the Senate without public hearings or debate would do the opposite. It would raise costs, reduce coverage, roll back protections, and ruin Medicaid as we know it. That’s not my opinion, but rather the conclusion of all objective analyses, from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which found that 23 million Americans would lose insurance, to America’s doctors, nurses, and hospitals on the front lines of our health care system.

    The Senate bill, unveiled today, is not a health care bill. It’s a massive transfer of wealth from middle-class and poor families to the richest people in America. It hands enormous tax cuts to the rich and to the drug and insurance industries, paid for by cutting health care for everybody else. Those with private insurance will experience higher premiums and higher deductibles, with lower tax credits to help working families cover the costs, even as their plans might no longer cover pregnancy, mental health care, or expensive prescriptions. Discrimination based on pre-existing conditions could become the norm again. Millions of families will lose coverage entirely.

    Simply put, if there’s a chance you might get sick, get old, or start a family – this bill will do you harm. And small tweaks over the course of the next couple weeks, under the guise of making these bills easier to stomach, cannot change the fundamental meanness at the core of this legislation.

    I hope our Senators ask themselves – what will happen to the Americans grappling with opioid addiction who suddenly lose their coverage? What will happen to pregnant mothers, children with disabilities, poor adults and seniors who need long-term care once they can no longer count on Medicaid? What will happen if you have a medical emergency when insurance companies are once again allowed to exclude the benefits you need, send you unlimited bills, or set unaffordable deductibles? What impossible choices will working parents be forced to make if their child’s cancer treatment costs them more than their life savings?

    To put the American people through that pain – while giving billionaires and corporations a massive tax cut in return – that’s tough to fathom. But it’s what’s at stake right now. So it remains my fervent hope that we step back and try to deliver on what the American people need.

    That might take some time and compromise between Democrats and Republicans. But I believe that’s what people want to see. I believe it would demonstrate the kind of leadership that appeals to Americans across party lines. And I believe that it’s possible – if you are willing to make a difference again. If you’re willing to call your members of Congress. If you are willing to visit their offices. If you are willing to speak out, let them and the country know, in very real terms, what this means for you and your family.

    After all, this debate has always been about something bigger than politics. It’s about the character of our country – who we are, and who we aspire to be. And that’s always worth fighting for.

    End of Barack Obama's message

    I am calling Senator Cory Gardner to express my views. So follow Citizen Obama's lead...get active.

  • Independent
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    I am calling Senator Cory Gardner to express my views. So follow Citizen Obama's lead...get active.


    Thanks for posting his full text and getting involved.


    Some people on the far left argue that Obama's comments are too lightwieght, too tallorant, too neive, too rationale, too passive, etc for the current reality, and if domocrats are serious, they need to be match dirty politics with dirty poltics. If republicans are using a nife, domocrats should be using a gun, if they use a gun, etc,... democratics need to be willing to do anything\everytihing, even break laws to prevent republicans from doing anything.

  • Center Left
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    I would love it if we had another who was as good to take us forward. At this time we don't. Thanks for sharing.
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote: I would love it if we had another who was as good to take us forward. At this time we don't. Thanks for sharing.
    Yes fully agree; what an difference a year makes; sorry, but Obama had class; Trump is the "mob"; welcome to a third world country called the USA.