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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Trump wins again and again and ........ The wire tap will turn in his favor.... All because the "intellectuals" don't know how to deal with Trump. Trump has a lifetime of things working out in his favor. His opposition jumps on every new outrageous action like this is the one to end all. Well, nothing evidentally ends it for Trump. For 70 years!!! The solution lies in understanding that Trump has automatic acceptance from a significant number of people. He has what people don't understand or deny or don't believe. Charisma. It is possible that some transgression will eventually take him down but in the meantime he steams rollers through the Presidency with who knows what long term results. The Obama wire tapping charge is already turning from outrageous. Trump never made one concession running for President but he is President. There have been Trump's throughout history but there has never been the understanding how to deal with them. It was explained to me when I was 25 working in the United Mine Workers of America Union. You don't put your head down and run harder into a brick wall, You go around it. Charisma is a brickwall. You don't defeat it by running head on into it, You go around it. Reality is there is no recognition for finesse. Running head on in to it gets the headlines and the attention of our "leaders".
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    Chet what did you drink?? Or sniff? how many times I've got to tell you that the "guy" is just an psycho "bully" who wants it his way "or else". Charisma is "far from his bed" as Jared and I told you. So stop using such nonsense.

    Ever studied psychology? I did

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch, You are totally misunderstanding of charisma and how it works. And it wasn't jaredsxtn that supplied you with the misinformation about charisma it was Schmidt. So I don't think you even care about facts you just want to rant. Every credible source, magazine, network, pollster attributes charisma to Trump. Your native language is narrow minded in the definition of charisma or else you are not relating correctly. Google Trump's charisma. I'll do it for you because you mind is made up. You are spouting uneducated nonsense about charisma and it is that exact misinformation that got Trump elected. Look it up.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Just for you Dutch and this is from the Huffington post and is one of many :

    "The Charismatic Appeal of Donald Trump

    By Tam Warner Minton

    Long, long ago, in 1998, I wrote a graduate thesis on Charismatic Leadership and the role culture plays in the phenomenon. I won an award for that thesis, and it has been on my mind frequently as I have watched the rise of Donald Trump. At first I scoffed at the idea he could become a candidate, then I watched uneasily as he bullied and browbeat his Republican opponents into the dust. I was incredulous as he accepted the GOP nomination, and I still cannot believe that the Republicans allowed him to basically take over the party. So how did he do it? How does a rich, egotistical New York real estate developer who became famous for his tabloid exploits with women, marriages and casinos in the 80s and 90s morph into a political candidate? How does a reality tv star with no real knowledge of policy, politics or foreign affairs catapult himself to the top of the Republican ticket? I have watched, and I have studied. Donald Trump is a charismatic figure, and he has effectively tapped into fear.
    manufacturing overseas, where it is Trump’s charisma has a mission to seek change: its goal is to remain outside the realm of ordinary life. It exhibits no rational economic conduct. The charismatic Trump is above the law, and has no interest in legal codes, formal rules, or abstract principles. Those who follow Trump project their own beliefs onto his leadership, and are emboldened by the reflection. We see this play out daily in Trump rallies across the country.

    Trump and his followers seek the return of the “glory days”. As a result, we see the behavior of these people at Trump rallies, freed from political correctness they enthusiastically exhibit racism, sexism, xenophobia, and promotion of violence. For his opponent, a woman, there is disdain and hatred, but t-shirts reading “Hillary sucks but not as good as Monica” or “bitch” debase all women, not just Hillary Clinton. Cries of “lock her up”, the belief that she has “killed millions of people” and rigs the system in her favor, is hysterical hyperbole. to women because he is a “star”, his supporters are still defending the indefensible. We truly are in some sordid reality show.

    Students of history find these truths disturbing, to be sure. Charismatic figures who promote fear and ignorance do not bring peace and stability to their nations. Like others before him, Trump believes himself above all others, only he can fix America, only he knows the way. A demagogue who sows fear, objectifies women, and ignites hatred is not the leader America needs. We need a calm, steady hand at the wheel, with policies that will help our millennials, our middle class, our economy, our multiculturalism and global society grow. Trump represents the worst of America, and we must be sure he does not get the chance to destroy our nation. The only weapon we have to fight him with is our vote. Make sure it counts

    Tam Warner Minton Former university lecturer turned Empty Nest adventurer/travel writer/

    Schmidt, This is excerpts of the article

    m.huffpost.com/us/entry/12406854

  • Independent
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    And Chet, what do we buy for that?? I don't care if he's an"whatever". This guy is totally nuts, thus what do you want to prove? Who cares what name you give an"mental patient" HIS ACTIONS COUNT ONLY, not "names".

    If the whole country goes to hell and you loose all your hard earned benefits, what name do you call this guy???

    He's totally corrupt, still runs all his business from his FL estate and no one blinks, if the millions keep rolling in on his Cypress bank account, And you still think this is an smart country?? Yes Trump is "stupid" smart, but it will catch up to him eventually. Maybe the US is stupid, but lots of other countries are not as stupid that they fall for his charades; like Mexico, Australia etc. Thus start thinking "rational"

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Even though you are dangerously wrong you manage to spin the realization into a tirade of sensational but totally meaningless "hot" words. I am explaining the dangers of a charismatic leader and even more importantly how to deal with and work around a charismatic leader and all you do is try and rant your way out of dealing with the problem. And you play right into the charismatics hand. The absolutely worst action is to rant indignities and attack actions. All that does is firm up support for a charismatic. Once again I waste more time just trying to get you to understand the problem. Then when you realize I am right you go off on another strawman rant instead of agreeing and working together to counter act Trump. You can't win anything with a head on attack against a charismatic. For almost 18 months now I have been explaining Trump and how to work around him and still all you have to add is another senseless rant. Maybe you dont want to disarm Trump because then you won't have anything to attack.
  • Liberal
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    Now, now Chet - you are both correct. There is room for everyone to "jump on Trump". In the end he will put his tail between his legs and shuffle off to Key Largo and become another bad memory for those who really care about this country in contrast to his supporters who only care about themselves.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    pr Wrote: Now, now Chet - you are both correct. There is room for everyone to "jump on Trump". In the end he will put his tail between his legs and shuffle off to Key Largo and become another bad memory for those who really care about this country in contrast to his supporters who only care about themselves.

    pr, Trump gets his way and builds support out of pure luck. He can be disarmed and neutralized by out promising him but not by fighting with him. There are many leaders that abused and took advantage of their luck. Trump can be neutralized but not by attacking him and his supporters. He can , will and has cause a lot of damage. Michelle had the answer but nobody believed her. She had the answer when Trump could have been easily defeated but they didn't even go a couple of weeks on her advice. Chris Matthews had the polling about Hillary right. He said that people will pledge support for her until they close the curtain on the voting both. Even Hillary said she has both public and private views. Separate issues but none the less information that was disregarded. Point being there are ways to win.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Trump wins again and again and ........ The wire tap will turn in his favor.... All because the "intellectuals" don't know how to deal with Trump. Trump has a lifetime of things working out in his favor. His opposition jumps on every new outrageous action like this is the one to end all. Well, nothing evidentally ends it for Trump. For 70 years!!! The solution lies in understanding that Trump has automatic acceptance from a significant number of people. He has what people don't understand or deny or don't believe. Charisma. It is possible that some transgression will eventually take him down but in the meantime he steams rollers through the Presidency with who knows what long term results.

    While I agree with some of what you wrote, I think you're giving him far to much credit in terms of his charisma's powers. I perceive him currently being over his head as President and whatever charisma he has is limited to his base, its not effective on moderate republicans nor democrats; if anything his charisma's powers have just the opposite effect, where a majority of people (especially those that have raised kids) see through it and understand that emperor has no clothes. Trump is not a good leader, he doesn't understand the details of complex issues, and throws temper tantrums like a 10 year old spoiled child that been told he can't play his video games after 9pm.

    Whatever charisma power he might have is nulled out by his immature behavior of not getting what he wants, when he wants, or when others call him out (disagree). All his adult life he's surround himself with people say "Yes, Mr Trump, whatever you want Mr Trump, by the way you look fantastic again today, Mr Trump!"... As a result he does not have personality skills to handle "No Mr Trump, that is a bad idea..", because such people never get hired, or if they do, they quickly get fired.

    IMHO, Deep down Trump is mainly ticked off that he was elected, and blames Hillary for not winning (that Bitch!) He expected\wanted to loose, and in loosing he could say\do anything he wanted after the election, such as be the leader of the anti-Hillary movement, holding more rallies where he can freely call her anything he wants, a whore, slut, c-word, etc knowing that his bases loves it when he talks like he is in a porn video, and at end of each day he simply goes home to watch reality TV without having to make decisions that impact people's lives. He love being the front man, not a leader than make real decisions.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I believe Trump went into the campaign with the determination to win...using the tried and proven tactics of a con man. However, that's not to say, it was a win-lose for him. As you have pointed out, even if he had lost, he would have set in motion two things he really wanted to do -- destroy Hillary Clinton and destroy Barack Obama's legacy. In that sense it was a win-win for him. If "Crooked" Hillary had been elected, her presidency would have ben sabotaged much the same as President Obama's was. Sabotage is a ruthless tactic of Republicans. Trump just joined the tribe.

    As we have discussed Trump knows how to get into people's heads, and especially knows how to manipulate the media. The No. 1 issue should be Health Care...followed by Republican tax and spending programs that will not do anything for the poor and middle class. Also Climate Change, education, infrastructure, immigration, etc. Instead we're spending a disproportional amount of time on Trump's tweets and the Russian connection. That's the way he likes it. As pointed out in another thread, it's a diversion tactic.

    Just like the campaign, the media covers his every step, utterance and tweet...while more important discussion of the issues is given little coverage. Everything Trump is the story. It sells.

    Democrats cannot win by just being "anti-Trump". They need to articulate what they are for and make it resonate with voters.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I believe Trump went into the campaign with the determination to win...using the tried and proven tactics of a con man. However, that's not to say, it was a win-lose for him.

    That is a good way to state it. I also believe he truly wanted to win because he loves to win, but deep down I don't think he wanted to be president. Its a bit like being a hate radio talk show host, the host never really wants his candidate to win because his ratings $$$$ are higher when the opposition holds power. Hate radio shows want to attack, and do a good job a that, and suck when put in the position of defending.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    .wwjd said:

    "I also believe he truly wanted to win because he loves to win, but deep down I don't think he wanted to be president.:"

    He wwanted to be a contender but didn't want the job. His campaign spending is proof he wanted to show he was a contender that didn't want to be president. President is too much of a consuming job.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    There are lots of people that want to be president but don't want the job. Including Biden.
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    The perfect end to this presidency is " Your Fired!" .-
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    Of course he is over his head.

    ask yourselves why he was elected. Yes, I know that Hillary won and Trump is president due to an anti-democratic (not the party but the system) process put in place by 18th century oligarchs that distrusted democracy, their rhetoric not withstanding. Ask yourself why Hillary appeared during the primaries to have to be dragged to the left.

    What is happening is a crisis of legitimacy. The public falls into three categories: left populists, right populists and a mass who either don't care or think everything is hunky-dory despite the mounting evidence to the contrary. There was enough of the charlatan which is what Trump is to appeal to the right populists, some of the so-called Berniebros and enough of the mass that doesn't pay attention to result in a victory.

    Neither he nor Hillary had she won will be able to resolve the crisis. Bernie might have stood a small chance but the slog would have been long and hard against the forces that caused the crisis.