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A Pastor attending Trump rally is shocked

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Washington Post, February 22, 2017: ‘Demonic activity was palpable’ at Trump’s rally, pastor says

    Pastor Joel Tooley and his 11 year old daughter attended the Trump rally in Florida as a kind of civics lesson for her...at least that's what they had hoped. Quoting the pastor:

    "...during a rendition of “God Bless the USA,” some attendees began to sing along and raise their hands in an almost religious way. “People were being ushered into a deeply religious experience,” Tooley wrote, “and it made me completely uncomfortable.

    “I love my country; I honor those who sacrificed their lives for our freedom and I respect our history and what we stand for, but what I experienced in that moment sent shivers down my spine. I felt like people were here to worship an ideology along with the man who was leading it. Don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t the song per se — it was this inexplicable movement that was happening in the room. It was a religious zeal.”

    “The First Lady approached the platform and in her rich accent, began to recite the Lord’s prayer,” he added. “I can’t explain it, but I felt sick. This wasn’t a prayer beseeching the presence of Almighty God, it felt theatrical and manipulative. People across the room were reciting it as if it were a pep squad cheer. At the close of the prayer, the room erupted in cheering. It was so uncomfortable. I observed that Mr. Trump did not recite the prayer until the very last line, ‘be the glory forever and ever, amen!’ As he raised his hands in the air, evoking a cheer from the crowd, ‘USA! USA! USA!’ ”

    There is more of the pastor's perspective on the Trump rally at the above link. A confrontation with Trump supporters that left his daughter clinging to him in fright.

    This is Trump's base. This is what he lives for...the adulation of his base of supporters. It's why he cannot pivot or have a reset in his campaign. He cannot go against the base of authoritarian followers that he created and that so love him like a messiah. When you mix politics with religion, the populist base of his followers cannot tell the difference. Their brains have been totally indoctrinated.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    And that is exactly why he is hard to take down. And the minds of stubborn hard headed conservatives is hard to change. Especially when people are clueless how to combat it. The new DNA head is headed the wrong way. He thinks people will come to their senses and vote Democratic. He should have come out why Trump can't fulfill his promises and Democrats could with added bonuses.
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    For those that are interested, take some time and do some research on the psychological effects created by rallies, rock concerts, religious revival, and other very large gatherings (1000s of people) that are designed evoke a very high state of euphoria.

    I point this out because during such large events, the human brain can release large amounts of endorphin that give people massive emotional highs that is akin to taking powerful mind altering drugs. Such highs can be make people think they are experiencing\witnessing a life changing event.

    Trump is manipulating this effect for political gain. He is not the first politician to do it, and it's not illegal, and I suppose nothing really wrong with using it (when being fully honest\truthful). In his case, he is successfully targeting a segment of voters that want have that emotional high from someone that gives them feeling that he is a messiah come to change their lives by channeling god.... And I have to say, buy winning the election, he made true believers out of his base; there is very little he could say that they won't accept, even things they don't like. They beleive 100% there is a method to his madness, and will accept everything because they believe he can't do wrong.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt, I don't know why you are denying what I say about how charisma is what put Trump in office. You say you are a researcher yet you deny what charisma is and how charisma works. Many people and articles support what I have been saying for over a year. And if the DNC doesn't learn about charisma they will be wasting a lot of money and losing more elections. Here is another view about Trump abusing charisma published in "The American Interest". Read it and try to understand:

    "MANDEL NGAN/AFP/Getty Images

    Published on: February 15, 2017

    RELIGION IN AMERICA

    Donald Trump and the Perils of Charisma

    PETER BERGER

    Claiming a religious identity in America is still politically useful.

    Whatever one may want to say about Donald Trump’s style of political leadership, it can plausibly be described as charismatic—grounded neither in tradition nor in rational interest, it depends on the continuing faith in the leader by the mass of followers. Because of this it is inevitably brittle. One way of making it less so is to consecrate it with religious symbolism. Napoleon Bonaparte was one of the great charismatic leaders of modern European history, but even he found it opportune to be crowned emperor in a religious ceremony.

    the-american-interest.com/2017/02/15/do...

  • Independent
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    Claiming a religious identity in this country is not merely useful, it is required. All candidates are assumed to have a religion. But this is especially true if one wants to be taken seriously as a presidential candidate. Even der ubergroppenfuhrer made claim to religion when his actions say different.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet -- We've discussed this before. You are conflating the authoritarian personality with charisma. Sure authoritarians can also be charismatic, but not in Donald Trump's case. Again I will refer you to characteristics of charismatic people as listed in Time magazine:

    10 Habits of Remarkably Charismatic People

    1. They listen way more than they talk. They ask questions. They maintain eye contact. They smile, frown, nod. They only speak when they have something important to say–and always define important as what matters to the other person, not to them. I don't see that in Trump. He speaks about what is important to him and his big enormous ego.

    2. They don’t practice selective hearing. Remarkably charismatic people listen closely to everyone, and they make all of us, regardless of our position or social status or “level,” feel like we have something in common with them. Trump has a short attention span. He cannot even stand to participate in the daily intelligence briefings. In press conferences he hears only parts of questions and jumps to conclusions quickly.

    3. They put their stuff away. They are not easily distracted but give you your full attention. When Trump talks he is distracted by someone he sees in the audience and will suddenly call out his name and a story. All his press conferences are rambling distractions of what comes to his mind at the moment.

    4. They give before they receive — and often they never receive. Giving is a way of establishing a real connection and relationship. Trump's only "giving" is money to buy a vote.

    5. They don’t act self-important…The only people who are impressed by stuffy, pretentious, self-important people are other stuffy, pretentious, self-important people. The rest of us aren’t impressed. We’re irritated, put off, and uncomfortable. I for one am irritated, put off and uncomfortable with Trump's presence. His authoritarian followers, however, will worship him for his authority.

    6. …Because they realize other people are more important. Charismatic people understand that you can’t learn anything from yourself. Therefore, they value the opinions of others because they’re people they can learn from. Trump on the other hand says, "I alone can fix this'." He continually says "I am smart"...smarter than the generals.

    7. They shine the spotlight on others. While Trump goes on stage he'll pander to the people in his audience. It's not genuine praise with sincerity. The only person Trump shines the spotlight on is himself as he brags about everything he's done...never uses the term "we".

    8. They choose their words. In associating with happy, enthusiastic, fulfilled people they choose words that can help other people feel better about themselves. I don't see that anyone on Trump's team is really happy...none ever smile and none feel good about themselves...Kellyanne Conway, Sean Spicer, others. No happiness there emanating from the charisma of the boss.

    9. They don’t discuss the failings of others… Do I need to even elaborate?

    10. …But they readily admit their failings. Incredibly successful people are often assumed to have charisma simply because they’re successful. Their success seems to create a halo effect, almost like a glow.

    Keyword is seem.

    You don’t have to be incredibly successful to be remarkably charismatic. Scratch the shiny surface, and many successful people have all the charisma of a rock.

    I think that last statement defines Trump to a tee. He has all the charisma of a rock.