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lonely bird Wrote: Fascist state? Probably depends upon who (whom?) you talk to. Are corporations running the country? Of course not. Is Capital running the country? Define "running the country". We have had 36 years of economic theology that originated out of the fevered mind of Von Hayek and the Austrian school as well as the Chicago school. Yet this theology has yet to be shown the door despite its failure. And by failure we must use the only reasonable definitions which devolve down to upward transfer of wealth combined with a financial system that blew up every decade. We cannot speak of capitalism and democracy as though they are compatible. They are not. Particularly the so-called free market virus version of capitalism is not compatible with democracy. Market justice and social justice are diametrically opposed. The Republican Party is a party of market justice. They play upon social issues to slip through an economically violent agenda. The Democratic Party prior to the alleged Bernie Revolution was only slightly less a market justice party. Look at Bill Clinton's actions regarding welfare. Look at the ACA. I grant that a public option was likely doomed to defeat seeing how the electorate is blind, deaf and dumb but the ACA while providing healthcare payment for millions more is still a boon overall for insurance and pharma.
Economic theory and the history of capitalism in America isn't what I responded to. I was simply suggesting that throwing around loaded words like fascism and robber barons without actually taking the time to understand if they are accurate clouds a conversation and turns otherwise open minded people away.
Fascism and capitalism (or should I say robber barons?) are entirely different things. The last person a multinational corporation would want to work with is a fascist dictator. So saying we are a fascist state while at the same time saying that robber barons run everything literally makes no sense.
lonely bird Wrote: As for robber barons? I don't know about you but I don't know what else to call the Kochs, the Waltons and the various billionaire hedge fund guys.
Andrew Carnegie, John Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, Charles Schwab, Marshall Field, and countless other real robber barons of the late 19th and early 20th Century would laugh in your face if they were equated with the Koch Brothers and the Walton family.
I am no fan of Koch Industries, so I don't buy any of their products. I also am no fan of Walmart, so I don't shop there.
That's entirely different than Andrew Carnegie cornering the steel market or John Rockefeller having monopoly of our nations oil supply.
This is the point I'm trying to get across. Yes. There are bad people out there who take advantage of our system. But calling any rich person a robber baron or a major political party fascist just muddies the argument and turns people away.