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  • Chet Ruminski
    2017-02-14 02:48:41 PM
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    Why is there a floundering around what a Democrat should be. This sight should be loaded with ideas and opinions on how to make life better for the working class which is what the Democratic Party should be. I criticize the stock market for being unfair and get called a communist. What is going on? Making life better for the working class would make life better for everybody. The most radical ideas I have proposed are to reward jobs producing investments, penalize investments that are purely gambling, doing away with the CFMA and making the stock market fair. Why shouldn't that be the purpose of the Democratic Party. My most vocal opposition offers nothing. Now I even see some respect and admiration for Trump. Saying that he had a well thought out plan to win the presidency. What is going on?
  • jaredsxtn
    2017-02-14 03:20:38 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Why is there a floundering around what a Democrat should be. This sight should be loaded with ideas and opinions on how to make life better for the working class which is what the Democratic Party should be.

    The problem as I see it is that you only seem to be laser like focused on a certain type of working class.

    Not just that, but I can't stand the term in the first place because what exactly is the "working class" anyway? The official definition of working class is so vague that it basically encompasses anyone who works.

    Some people choose to work part time; others are retired; and some, gulp, inherited money and may not need to work to pay the bills. Why does it matter? I'm not a jealous person and don't look at someone flying in a private jet and get angry. I have opinions about what I think their tax rate should be compared to the single mom who works at Applebee's, but I'm not jealous that they are rich.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I criticize the stock market for being unfair and get called a communist. What is going on? Making life better for the working class would make life better for everybody.

    No one called you a communist. An issue I've noticed with you is that you tend to cling on to fragments of certain sentences in a paragraphs long reply and use those fragments to feign outrage at what someone said.

    Here is Schmidt's quote that brought you to claim he called you a communist:

    "Your quest to help the poor centers around an idealistic notion of equality that everyone should share equally in wealth. A janitor should make the same salary as a teacher. Carrying those notions to the extreme you end up with communism. Much of what you drive at has the underpinnings of a Marxist ideology...power to the worker. You abhor what capitalism has done in creating classes, rich and poor."

    I'll never speak for Schmidt, but I have to agree with his assessment after reading through your hundreds and hundreds of postings.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: The most radical ideas I have proposed are to reward jobs producing investments, penalize investments that are purely gambling, doing away with the CFMA and making the stock market fair. Why shouldn't that be the purpose of the Democratic Party. My most vocal opposition offers nothing. Now I even see some respect and admiration for Trump. Saying that he had a well thought out plan to win the presidency. What is going on?

    The stock market never has been and never will be fair. That's the entire point of it! There are winners and there are losers.

    There is zero chance that you will ever see any individual or company penalized for "gambling" in the stock market. People gamble on investments all the time. That's how companies rise and fall.

    A wealthy individual might "gamble" on an entrepreneurs idea and give them $10 million to get their company started. If that company takes off then the investor will reap the rewards along with the entrepreneur. If it doesn't take off then the investor is out $10 million.

    And Democrats have "rewarded jobs producing investments."

    One (of many) examples of this is the renewable energy industry. President Obama and Democrats in Congress directed billions upon billions of dollars into the industry. Do you think the renewable energy companies who were beneficiaries of government aide during the Obama Administration have the same opinions as you about jobs producing investments? Unlike coal and oil, renewable energy will never be depleted.

  • wwjd
    2017-02-14 05:57:35 PM
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    I primarily vote for democrats, but prefer to be considered independent largely because I don't want to align solely with any political party. Plus, when asked in social settings, being "independent" is a good neutral answer.


    On the matter of economics, the democratic party seems to take a bottom up approach, meaning by raising the quality living of the those at the bottom it will increase the quality of life for everyone above. Republican party, tends to believe that by raising the quality at the top, it will cause the quality of life to better for everyone below.

  • lonely bird
    2017-02-14 11:03:17 PM
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    Well, a democratic supporter is something you wear under your gym shorts at a democratic convention. Sorry, tried for some levity and failed abysmally. We need only look at the "Bernie revolution" for some ideas as to a Democratic Party worthy of the name. That being said there is so much that needs to be done that many democrats likely feel overwhelmed.

    Get out the vote for all elections

    Get younger people to run for office

    Organize strategy on a local, county and state level as too much emphasis is put on the presidency

    lay out a sound platform that must resonate with the entire spectrum of voters

    abandon as much as possible dark money

    a small but telling detail, eliminate super delegates

    speak plainly but emotionally as people respond to emotion since truth will out is wishful thinking. Don't lie but do not ignore public relations

    carefully utilize American mythology as again people don't facts, they want someone to tell them everything will be alright so be prepared to provide truth in a palatable fashion

    as for economics people don't want to hear that the system is rigged, they know it. But they also don't want to hear that there are alternatives that would require shared sacrifice as Republicans have poisoned that well. This one issue will be very difficult since it isn't as simple as raising the minimum wage.

    to borrow from the movie "the big short": truth is like poetry. and most people fucking hate poetry.

  • Schmidt
    2017-02-15 12:14:24 AM
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    I am a former precinct chair and a volunteer for both Obama and Hillary Clinton. I put in the miles knocking on hundreds of doors. I was also the facts-in-your face guy...I was ready for any question from a Democrat or a Republican. But as I have pointed out in other posts, facts and knowledge on the issues is not that important to the low information voter. It's all about emotions...or maybe a single issue such as abortion or health care. The party realized we needed more young people, so I focused on them. I found a lot of apathy at the time (pre-Bernie days). I could not even register some of them, let alone get them to vote.

    That all changed with Bernie, but what didn't change is that they still were largely low information voters on the issues. They loved Bernie and outside of maybe free college for everyone, they had a hard time articulating why they were for him instead of Hillary. They mentioned trust and the e-mails but were totally ignorant of where Hillary stood on the issues. Some were Hillary haters.

    Getting out the vote for elections is difficult, and I commend Bernie for energizing the young people where I could not. However, a true grass roots movement means people need to have broad knowledge of the issues, and be passionate about them. Just wearing a button, "Feel the Bern" doesn't do it. I suffered through the 2010 midterm when Dems lost badly. We said never again and went all out in the 2014 midterm. We lost badly again.

    So I have mixed feelings about how well all these grass roots protest marches will materialize. I want them to succeed, but in the back of my mind I have reservations. I guess we are all captives of our experiences, and my experiences of getting young people to vote were frustrating.

  • wwjd
    2017-02-15 12:44:47 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Some were Hillary haters.

    Help me understand why she was hated with such a passion by many voters. It seemed deeply personal, including democrats that couldn't bring themselves to vote for her.

  • TJ
    2017-02-15 01:11:32 AM
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    I willingly voted for her because she was a much better choice. Doesn't matter now. Logic and reason are lost. People love to say Impeach him ! But with us being the minority means no matter how bad he gets or how badly it goes, it would be difficult for Democrats to challenge anything for several years.
  • wwjd
    2017-02-15 01:47:21 AM
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    I think there is a reasonable chance the republication congress would step back and allow the democrats force President Trump out of office because the republicans know they can work with Pence. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the current leaks are coming from the republican side simply because Trump is too unpredictable in what he says\does from day to day.

  • lonely bird
    2017-02-15 06:50:58 AM
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    wwjd Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote:

    Some were Hillary haters.

    Help me understand why she was hated with such a passion by many voters. It seemed deeply personal, including democrats that couldn't bring themselves to vote for her.

    I'll give it a shot.

    when Bill was president he gave her responsibility for his healthcare program. Imo, this struck many people including some Democrats as unprecedented. A First Lady is NOT or was not supposed to be involved in something like this. First Ladies are supposed to have "projects" such as keeping kids off drugs or childhood obesity and so on. Then after Bill's second term Hillary runs for senate in NY when they were "from" Arkansas. And of course in some people's eyes she didn't "respond" correctly during the whole Monica brouhaha. Basically she and Bill came off as completely calculating. Everything was done based upon how it would impact their political ambitions. It didn't matter whether or not the ideas she had were good or whether Bill was an effective president (for myself I didn't care for much of what he did but I voted for him anyway).

    This is the bottom line again imo, she just did not have good optics which was due to Republicans angry that they couldn't impeach Bill and complete their first attempt to destroy government and her own real or perceived in some eyes calculating sense that she was entitled to be president.

    Now none of this means she was not far more qualified than Trump, she was. But it does point out that the Democratic Party seemed to be more focused on getting her elected as the first woman president. And in point of opinion Bernie pushed her rhetoric left because I do not believe she was or is as liberal as she ended up sounding as the campaign progressed. Yet that did not stop me from voting for her when she won the nomination. Finally we must add that she ran a lousy campaign because "we the people" aren't interested in policy but much prefer bright shiny objects.

  • Dutch
    2017-02-15 08:53:02 AM
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    I've said it so many times; this country is an "island" and basically still an British colony. It certainly acts that way.

    About 80% has never left this island. Europe has an culture of more than 2000 years China even longer; the US barely 300 years. Then we have our "backwards" "bible belts, rust belts, and "dumb belts" which stood still since WWII. California is just about the most developed ; that is why they vote Democratic. If you look at the voting "chart", it is clear that both coast sides vote Democrat and the "middle" part of the "island" votes Republican. The main reason is "education" or lack thereof. Bernie saw it correctly. The main reason Trump made the choice of DeVos is to keep them "dumb" so he gets the votes.

    We've written plenty of stories why Hillary lost; simply said "the backwards country area's" does not want an woman, let alone a woman, who's got experience and is a bit arrogant. They rather have an "redneck bully" as President, who claims to be "religious".( Hand on the "bible" then you can lie as much as you like)

  • Schmidt
    2017-02-15 09:03:53 AM
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    Why is Hillary hated by some and loved by others? It is a good question that I researched myself some time ago. The Hillary haters just didn't emerge with the Sanders campaign. They go way back in time. Reading this article by Michelle Goldberg in Slate, The Hillary Haters, touches on it somewhat. The Hillary haters in the article didn't seem to have one common thread, except that they didn't like her. I was an Obama supporter in 2008 and I met several Hillary supporters at our county assembly and state convention. They were just as avid about their support for her as I was about Obama. We didn't argue or hate each other...we respected each others views and I knew that they would be in Obama's camp if he won.

    Before supporting her in 2016 I did considerable research on her. I even wrote a blog article on this website, Hillary Rodham Clinton has been a progressive champion her entire life. I referenced her early career in a short speech to our precinct caucus but was shut down by the Bernie supporters. I have to give Bernie credit for rising the passions of his supporters, but in doing so he needed an enemy and that enemy was Hillary Clinton. The Bernie supporters I met were largely naïve about government and many of the issues. Their passion was anti-establishment and anti-Hillary. Of course, the fact that Bernie had spent so much time in Washington and little to show for it didn't seem to register with them.

    I believe part of the hate may be due to her character as an accomplished woman...maybe too accomplished. However, the Republican operatives have been very successful in magnifying her every flaw into a mountain. The Bernie people applied purity tests to her but less so to Trump. Some Bernie supporters even voted for Trump.

    The bottom line: people voted their emotions rather than applying critical thought. Very few did what I did and studied her positions on all of the issues of the day in HillaryClinton.com.

    Oh and I'll leave you with a personal note that a Hillary hater from the 2008 campaign wrote.

    I Was One of the Most Ardent Hillary Haters on the Planet…Until I Read Her Emails

  • Chet Ruminski
    2017-02-15 09:56:42 AM
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    jaredsxtn said:

    "The stock market never has been and never will be fair. That's the entire point of it! There are winners and there are losers."

    Totally inappropriate declaration for a Democratic anything. What do you think the Democratic Party should represent and strive for?

    Bill Gates told high school graduates that life wasn't fair and to get used to it.

    Where is the Democratic Party? Equal opportunity is and demands fairness .

  • TJ
    2017-02-15 10:05:21 AM
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    I am a Democrat because they believe in fairness and opportunity for mostly all people. Help regardless of your skin tone is being a humanitarian. Problems ? Hell yes, there always will be. Striving to continually improve is a good concept.
  • jaredsxtn
    2017-02-15 01:55:59 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: jaredsxtn said:

    "The stock market never has been and never will be fair. That's the entire point of it! There are winners and there are losers."

    Totally inappropriate declaration for a Democratic anything. What do you think the Democratic Party should represent and strive for?

    Why is it inappropriate to point out the fact that the stock market never has been fair?

    I've also stated a million times what I think the Democratic Party should strive for.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Bill Gates told high school graduates that life wasn't fair and to get used to it.

    So?

    My dad, grandpa, uncles, mentors, and countless other people have told me the same exact thing.

    Life isn't fair. A beloved school teacher could be diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer; a family of four can be tragically killed in a car accident; and a coal miner might lose his job because natural gas is far cheaper to extract from the earth. It's none of their faults that these things happened to these three hypothetical scenarios, but life isn't fair.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Where is the Democratic Party? Equal opportunity is and demands fairness .

    I still can't get over the fact that this is front and center now that rural white people are finding themselves struggling after their factory shut down.

    Did I miss it when these same people were calling for schools in inner cities to be given equal funding compared to those outside of urban areas? Or when black Americans were being systemically discriminated against in order to give white people a massive leg up in society?

    This whole equal opportunity and fairness thing just rubs me the wrong way because I can't help but think that it's only a big deal now that white people are being negatively affected by a changing economy, technological advances, and globalization.

    I'm all for equal opportunity, but that equal opportunity should start before a child enters pre-school.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2017-02-16 02:51:42 PM
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    lonely bird Wrote:

    Well, a democratic supporter is something you wear under your gym shorts at a democratic convention. Sorry, tried for some levity and failed abysmally. We need only look at the "Bernie revolution" for some ideas as to a Democratic Party worthy of the name. That being said there is so much that needs to be done that many democrats likely feel overwhelmed.

    Get out the vote for all elections

    Get younger people to run for office

    Organize strategy on a local, county and state level as too much emphasis is put on the presidency

    lay out a sound platform that must resonate with the entire spectrum of voters

    abandon as much as possible dark money

    a small but telling detail, eliminate super delegates

    speak plainly but emotionally as people respond to emotion since truth will out is wishful thinking. Don't lie but do not ignore public relations

    carefully utilize American mythology as again people don't facts, they want someone to tell them everything will be alright so be prepared to provide truth in a palatable fashion

    as for economics people don't want to hear that the system is rigged, they know it. But they also don't want to hear that there are alternatives that would require shared sacrifice as Republicans have poisoned that well. This one issue will be very difficult since it isn't as simple as raising the minimum wage.

    to borrow from the movie "the big short": truth is like poetry. and most people fucking hate poetry.

    Trump struck a resonant chord with lots of good paying jobs and make America Great again. It seems following up on that would be democratic.
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