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Wonder why Trump's President???

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Wonder why Trump's President? Who cares? The argument is about him being president and what he is doing. All the drama, indignation and daily sensationalism reacting to reprehensible directives takes away from the problem. Poor people. There is no reason for people to be poor. Anywhere. The disregard for the poor infects civilizations and desensitizes. Becoming indignant over current topical issues overlooks that the fact that we are responsible. Developing the idea that poverty and the poor are a fact of life has desensitized people from reacting to what causes self serving leaders to take power. Yes, I see every issue as developing from the loss of sensitivity for the poor. Becoming indignant about new problems emphasizes we got there by disregarding real problems. The USA has been propagandized by the right to the point the poor are blamed for their own problems, shamed and disregarded. Accepting responsibility for Trump instead of making excuses and start working on human rights is the solution. There are people in this country that will have less help than immigrants. How you feel about that determines how many Trumps are in the future.
  • Independent
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    Chet, we have talked about the "poor" many times. However forget the "poor; do you think Trump cares?? Sorry to say he only cares about himself and how he can score with his "buddies" around him. His principle is an from the "top" down throwing some "breadcrumbs" to the lower level while they themselves on the top benefit the most from their own actions. The only "feeling" this guy shows, is if he does not get what he wants; he does not care about "people" only "power and "money" as well "me " me"
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch, I use the word poor out of habit. I will find a term that I can use to describe the element of an institution or enterprize that compromize a basic fundamental essential but not critical segment. I want to analogize poor people to the nonessential but required members of a business. That might help people get over thinking that people are not expendable members of society. Any successful business runs counter to the way conservatives want to run the country. I want to show that disrespecting and ignoring a segment of the population comes at a great cost. In the contemporary situation it has resulted in a president with greater self interest than the interest of the country. Making sure that the lowest elements of a population are taken care of by the normal operation and rules will ensure everything is taken care of. Right now you have the results of a self interested segment denying responsibility for the results of a self interest attitude. Trump is not the result of a few lazy voteres. He is the result of selfishness denying low class problems. Winner take all and win at any cost are the destruction of a society.

  • Center Left
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    Chet, to Trump the poor are clutter in the way. You and most see their value and importance but to him he gains nothing so doesn't care. Simply a fact.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ, The selfishness of the conservative agenda has destroyed objective thinking. Conservative thinking has destroyed United We Stand and replaced it with Divided We Fail. Denying the income gap and transfer of wealth to very few at the top is having disasterous effects. Crime and violence is up, the recession proof movie industry is losing income, restaurants are losing income, the stock market is at 20k for no reason. Hate and discontent is growing replacing reason and communication. The outrage over immigrants is superseding the results of the immigration problem. Indignation is the overriding emotion because indignation masquerades responsibility. Getting mad is not a solution, it is a waste of energy and an excuse for ignorance.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I would rather see Warren demanding health insurance for the people that can't afford it. To me telling people that can't afford insurance that they are excused from buying insurance is telling those people nobody cares if they die. That's what it looks like to me.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Crime and violence is up,

    Not true.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: the recession proof movie industry is losing income,

    Not true, but who cares if it is?

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: restaurants are losing income,

    Also not true.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: the stock market is at 20k for no reason.

    I wouldn't say no reason.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Hate and discontent is growing replacing reason and communication.

    Thanks, Donald.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: The outrage over immigrants is superseding the results of the immigration problem. Indignation is the overriding emotion because indignation masquerades responsibility. Getting mad is not a solution, it is a waste of energy and an excuse for ignorance.

    Again - Thanks, Donald.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "And he will answer, 'I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.'"

    There has always been concern for the unfortunate. Denying the unfortunate is going to cost severely. It is already prevalent.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I would rather see Warren demanding health insurance for the people that can't afford it. To me telling people that can't afford insurance that they are excused from buying insurance is telling those people nobody cares if they die. That's what it looks like to me.

    Can that possibly be because Republican dominated states decided to let those people die? The blue states who actually care about their people expanded Medicaid.

    If people in Alabama don't want the gobnet telling them what to do then they shouldn't bitch and moan when the gobnet leaves them to die when they get cancer.

  • Center Left
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    SCOTUS final two. Two White men. What were the odds ? About 100 %. Sadly he's going to replace at least 2 more. Wanna bet that will be 2 more white men.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    CNN)Violent crime is on the rise so far this year in major cities across the US compared to the number of homicides, rapes, robberies, assaults and shootings that occurred in the same cities by this point in 2015, a new report has found.

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    The Atlantic’s Derek Thompson points out that “in 2016, the film industry is on pace to sell the fewest U.S. tickets per person of any year since perhaps before the 1920s and the fewest total tickets in two decades.

    U.S. restaurant sales grew in the second quarter at their slowest pace since December 2009. As restaurants start reporting third-quarter results this week, investors should expect to see the pain continue.

    Check, Please

    Sales growth at North American restaurants in the second quarter was the slowest since 2009.

    These are indicators of a declining economy.

  • Independent
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    The underlying struggle can be summed up in the following:

    market justice vs social justice. This is not arbitrarily social justice of the social justice gospel strain of Christianity but that does come fairly close. It is the justice of community. It is the justice of how economic impacts are mitigated over the width and breadth of society as a living, breathing whole. Market justice reduces justice and freedom to information asymmetry, power wielded based upon wealth and so-called choice reduced to extremity for those lacking wealth. It is one dollar, one vote. And you ain't got enough dollars. Thus democracy and capitalism are by nature at cross purposes. Capital assumes democracy will redistribute downward leveling the decision-making machinery. Democracy assumes, correctly imo from the evidence, that capitalism redistributes upwards particularly financialized capitalism. And ALL capitalism is financialized.

    So why do we care about der ubergroppenfuhrer? Because despite his populist tone the underpinnings of his actions are market justice as opposed to social justice. The key belief he holds is that American workers make too much money. That alone should have been enough to deny him the necessary votes to win Hamilton's poorly justified system. But then again the founders were not democrats. They were generally the plutocrats of the day.

  • Center Left
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    Lonely, Very interesting....

    I wish I knew more.

  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote:

    Lonely, Very interesting....

    I wish I knew more.

    TJ, try two books by Wolfgang Streeck, "Buying Time" and "How Will Capitalism End?" Also Robert Gordon's "The Rise and Fall of American Growth."

    Capital requires constantly expanding growth framed as "new markets." Yet it also requires raw materials from places that are not allowed to develop in the same manner as the center of capital. The system runs into the problem of infinite growth on a finite planet. And as capital freedom requires separating "the economy" from society as a whole thus preventing so-called interference in the economy by democracy. Capital demands unaccountable economic technocrats "run" the economy while government, democracy, stands aside twiddling its thumbs.

    and those lacking wealth are caught between the forces.

  • Independent
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    lonely bird Wrote:
    TJ Wrote:

    Lonely, Very interesting....

    I wish I knew more.

    TJ, try two books by Wolfgang Streeck, "Buying Time" and "How Will Capitalism End?" Also Robert Gordon's "The Rise and Fall of American Growth."

    Capital requires constantly expanding growth framed as "new markets." Yet it also requires raw materials from places that are not allowed to develop in the same manner as the center of capital. The system runs into the problem of infinite growth on a finite planet. And as capital freedom requires separating "the economy" from society as a whole thus preventing so-called interference in the economy by democracy. Capital demands unaccountable economic technocrats "run" the economy while government, democracy, stands aside twiddling its thumbs.

    and those lacking wealth are caught between the forces.

    Yes Lonely right on; most people here have not lived under other systems, so they don't know better than "capitalism" as well an "consumption" push as goal and structure, instead of an "happy" non "greedy" satisfied population.