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Torture as Trump sees it.

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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Trump is now convinced that "torture" works. If so we should try it out on him!! May be then he will disclose his tax reports, all his holdings an debts, liens etc. and if he's broke. Let's try it!!!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I have a feeling the military will refuse his orders if he actually tries to force the issue. As Senator McCain said - "the law is the law." Trump would basically be setting himself up for impeachment if he ordered that the military torture.
  • Liberal
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    He should volunteer to be the first subject - maybe we will hear him speak the truth for the first time?
  • Center Left
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    Bait and switch. Alright, I will back off on torture if I get 10 things I want. See the con man is playing the USA like an air guitar. Laughing all the while.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ, You are seeing the real Trump. He is a charismatic negotiator. He will get his way and a lot more. For over a year now I have been warning of the dangers of a leader with charisma. People are shortsighted and narrowminded. They associate charisma with people they like. The people that don't like Trump don't think he is charismatic. That is a big danger.

  • Center Left
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    Meanwhile Republican politicians won't say a word because A. They won and B. They're challenged by the fact that he's unpredictable and previously all opposing politicians have been nothing if not entirely predictable. Democrats are as I previously said - shell shocked. In a daze and scrambling in a confused way. The entire Fu(%ing world is trying to determine how to play the hand that was dealt to them and survive however possible. Media is stunned and confused.
  • Independent
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    agreed, chet. to borrow from parke godwin "this country is as susceptible to charlatans as a dog is to fleas."
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Forget who said something like: "conservative blue collar working people think they are millionaires with a cash flow problem".
  • Liberal Democrat
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    So we went from a thread on torture (good subject worthy of more in-depth discussion) to "conservative blue collar workers, millionaires and cash flow problem". Why cannot we stay on topic? When I want to discuss an issue, I first do a search on thread headings. But underneath those headings is a hodge podge of stuff totally unrelated to thread topic.

    I suggest we get back on topic and show some discipline by staying on topic in all of our threads.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    There have been several excellent articles on "Trump's torture mania" in the media. In fact the Huffington Post has now set up a separate webpage called "Torture" with several articles and opinions.

    Huffington Post: Torture

    Any interest in discussing further?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: I suggest we get back on topic and show some discipline by staying on topic in all of our threads.

    I second that idea.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Okay I'll chime in. Those who advocate for torture of any kind, waterboarding or some other method from our distant past are totally ignorant of the facts on torture or have some kind of sadistic personality. First of all, torture doesn't work. In a Psychology Today article by Shane O'Mara, he states, "the evidence is in, and it is very clear: Torture as an interrogational theory and practice is a complete and utter failure." You can read more about torture in his article, Why Torture Doesn't Work, so I'll just leave it at that.

    Yet torture has been around for a long time and continues today in every society. ISIS didn't invent torture. Many of the techniques are a product of our accepted Christian culture at the time. The torture inflicted on our African American community is an example of that. Take a look at these torture techniques from the distant past (Middle Ages) practiced and accepted routinely by our ancestors, many of them good Christians.

    25 Most Brutal Torture Techniques Ever Devised in History

    Now, is waterboarding a 21st Century "nice torture" compared to these? All torture is sadistic. To repeat, I believe that those who embrace torture either do not understand the pain or do not have empathy for the victims. That latter point on lack of empathy might be genetic. Trump is certainly one who seems to relish in demeaning people. His wins are not just wins but an occasion to celebrate again and again while rubbing in the loss to the opponent. It is not just about winning, which is very important to his ego, but also about having losers that feel the pain. It's easy to see how torture fills a part of this inner need...a worrisome character flaw for any president.

    Human society has evolved from the days of the torture techniques listed in the above link, but for some who may be genetically predisposed, torture provides a certain satisfaction to one's psyche. I think Donald Trump falls into that category. When hate overcomes critical thinking, we can revert to our genetic dark side...the same dark side that we practiced in the Middle Ages.

    So I ask, is waterboarding any more acceptable than the 25 most brutal torture techniques listed above? If so why?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    One more point for the "Mike Pence Christians".

    Huffington Post: Mike Pence Suggested Not Torturing Terrorism Suspects Was Like Using “Oprah Winfrey Methods”

    Obedience and punishment has always been a part of much of the Christian evangelical beliefs. Torture is just an extension of those beliefs.

  • Center Left
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    On Facebook yesterday was a meme where it was suggested that Trump following Christians should suggest revisiting Crucifixion since it worked so well back in the day. Make Trump and the religious right find common ground. LMAO.

  • Independent
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    Quite simple; the objective is of the GOP is dictatorship. Evangelicals are an easy "tool" because they are the "group" already trained to "obey" and follow as "dumb" sheep the leader. In the past it was already said by some members that the objective of the GOP is to have total control (as Hitler did) over the people here. They want an strict "Christian" country who is totally indoctrinated and don't object against anything and use the "bible" as cover for everything crazy.