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    Lonely, sorry it is too late to read that book; The "Democracies" already died here. Only the "carcas" is left for the "vultures"
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    Getting back on the topic of Brexit, Theresa May lost another vote, and probably has one more chance to try put together some form of exit plan by Monday. The problem is that the larger majority of Brits, particularly the younger ones who were too lazy to vote in the Brexit referendum, want to remain in the European Union and want another referendum. Theresa may will not do that.

    In a way their problems mimic that of America in that we have to learn to live with what we voted for. Elections have consequences and so many people who vote do not understand the consequences. Or they are just too apathetic to vote. For the people of Britain, there is no going back, much the same as we could not have a redo of 2016 when so many liberals regretted their votes that made Trump their president.

    I hope for the best for the British people. They do not deserve this self imposed divisiveness in their society. The only person really smiling is Vladimir Putin who would like nothing better than to break up the European Union. I wonder if his "bots" help sway the original referendum.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Getting back on the topic of Brexit, Theresa May lost another vote, and probably has one more chance to try put together some form of exit plan by Monday. The problem is that the larger majority of Brits, particularly the younger ones who were too lazy to vote in the Brexit referendum, want to remain in the European Union and want another referendum. Theresa may will not do that.

    In a way their problems mimic that of America in that we have to learn to live with what we voted for. Elections have consequences and so many people who vote do not understand the consequences. Or they are just too apathetic to vote. For the people of Britain, there is no going back, much the same as we could not have a redo of 2016 when so many liberals regretted their votes that made Trump their president.

    I hope for the best for the British people. They do not deserve this self imposed divisiveness in their society. The only person really smiling is Vladimir Putin who would like nothing better than to break up the European Union. I wonder if his "bots" help sway the original referendum.

    Schmidt, correct. Just one question: why did this stupid country follow the Brits in their stupidity? The Canadians at least thought a bit further. Main land of Europe is better of without the Brits, except maybe the Rolls Royce Aircraft Engines and the McClaren cars. Ha ha.
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    By the way Colbert showed a chart of the most "livable" countries in the world; the Scandinavian countries were first the Dutch on the 5th place the US on the 19th place. The funny part was that the first 10 all were socialistic countries with decent healthcare and social structure for old age and handicapped people. I did not notice the position of the Brits.

    But yeah that 19th position will sink even more, if Trump ruins the ACA even more, let alone what he did to the 'border" kids etc.

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    Theresa May lost again on Monday evening. As CNBC reports:

    "Having rejected Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit deal three times, U.K. Members of Parliament (MPs) voted Monday evening on four alternative options in the process, but all of them were rejected by a majority of lawmakers."

    The British Parliament is running out of options. Either a general election will be held or a "no deal exit".

    It's educational to follow the parliament form of government deal with this crisis. I don't understand all the factions that are putting their selfish interests ahead of the country, but a no deal exit would be disastrous for Britain. Our American system is likewise in peril as Republicans, particularly the Tea Party (and Trumpism), are putting their selfish interests ahead of the country.

    The winner: Vladimir Putin, who no doubt has helped stoke the divisive anger and hatred both in America and Britain.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Theresa May lost again on Monday evening. As CNBC reports:

    "Having rejected Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit deal three times, U.K. Members of Parliament (MPs) voted Monday evening on four alternative options in the process, but all of them were rejected by a majority of lawmakers."

    The British Parliament is running out of options. Either a general election will be held or a "no deal exit".

    It's educational to follow the parliament form of government deal with this crisis. I don't understand all the factions that are putting their selfish interests ahead of the country, but a no deal exit would be disastrous for Britain. Our American system is likewise in peril as Republicans, particularly the Tea Party (and Trumpism), are putting their selfish interests ahead of the country.

    The winner: Vladimir Putin, who no doubt has helped stoke the divisive anger and hatred both in America and Britain.

    Let's be honest, both the British system and ours are outdated and will go in the history books as "has been's"; if you're not convinced ask Barr and Trump how to "ruin" an country.
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    New York Times, September 3, 2019: Brexit Showdown Nears in Parliament as Some Lawmakers Defy Boris Johnson

    It's complicated!

    Parliament is exerting its power over Boris Johnson in an effort stop stop a "no-deal Brexit", that is Britain exiting the EU without a deal on trade and other issues. As per the NYT, "In an important procedural ruling, John Bercow, the speaker of the House of Commons, agreed to allow lawmakers to try to seize control of the legislative agenda in Parliament, an area that is normally the preserve of the government. The decision clears the way for a two-step process in which lawmakers will vote tonight on whether to wrest control from the government and then vote again tomorrow on whether to force Prime Minister Boris Johnson to seek an extension to the Oct. 31 withdrawal deadline if he fails to reach an exit agreement with the European Union."

    Boris Johnson for his part has said the "rebels" were trying to “chop the legs” from his negotiating position at a time when he is making progress. Those close to the negotiations say little progress has been made on the hard issues, including the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, now an open border but one that could close without a deal on Brexit.

    The possibility of Johnson calling an election is also there, but perhaps not until after October 15th.

    For those so interested the NYT article above provides more insight into the polarized divisions between the two side. Isn't it nice that we live in America where majority rules?Sad

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    Schmidt, It is so nice to get the picture that both the Brits as well the US have both the same decease; it started I guess in the olden days when they invented inches. With Boris there and Trump here an marriage made in "heaven"; both have similar nutty government structures. Too bad it is not the time of Henry the VIII; if so than Trump would no longer have an "head" Be proud of this self inflicted wound. Since this country refuses to learn from their mistakes, I don't give it much chance of recovering in this present fast moving world. Sorry the Dem's are all talk only, but no action. Example on how sleepy they are; Trump got now 3.6 billion from the Pentagon "budget" for his "wall" how is that possible? What "loophole" or "intimidation" was used and by who? Not in any other country can such happen. It is not an sweep stake game!!
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    With Boris Johnson's "landslide win" in the UK elections, Brexit is back on the table, and pundits are saying that it is a certainty that the UK will leave the European Union on January 31st, the date previously agreed with the EU. However, it remains that half the population is against Brexit, and the issues are not going away. The country will remain divided on the issue, and Boris Johnson, despite his big win, will not have smooth sailing ahead.

    But oh how did the Labour Party lose the messaging and an election?

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    Yes Boris had an big win; the reason the same as here; if you move too far left then you loose. Anyway guess who is smiling all the way? I guess it is Putin. The same is going to happen here; the bullies will win and Trump will after this loss be "King". I bet now already that the "impeachment" thing will be an disaster, unless the voters come to their senses. Looking at Britain I fear the same will happen here; likely the "bullies" win. Forget this country if this happens.

    Also looking at the candidates; then only may be Bloomberg is the one who can save this country.

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    Brexit finally happens today, January 31, 2020 at 11:00 pm British time. The British people remain divided, but some see it as a chance to finally work together to make it work. Nevertheless, we can expect those who had high expectations on what Brexit would mean to their lives to slowly become more disillusioned.

    It will take years of transition out of Brexit, but for many their patience will not allow for a smooth transition as opponents will use every hic-cup to point fingers. Just like in the USA. Trump's likely acquittal today will not make our polarization go away. Trump certainly could embark on a healing campaign, but you cannot change Trump's DNA. For the best indication of what the remaining Trump presidency will look like, just watch his interview with Sean Hannity...contrition? No.

    Boris Johnson and Donald Trump will both do their victory laps. However, only Trump will have an "enemies list" that he will cite again and again against anyone who crossed him until the election and beyond. More and more rallies to vilify Democrats as being unpatriotic and treasonous. Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi will become the new "Hillary".

    Lock them up!

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    As you point out,both the British system and ours have failed; it is no wonder. When I traveled the world, I noticed on how the British colonies were run. An typical one is Nigeria; an horrible place. Sorry the Brits are ruining this world as well their own; at least Canada was wise not to adapt the British system.

    Yes the chickens are coming home to roost. The British empire is crashing over and over again

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    Jen Kirby, Vox, January 31, 2020: Brexit is here. But what happens next?

    For those interested in the problems "across the pond", (not many Americans are except for goings on of the Royal family) this article by Jen Kirby in Vox discusses all the possible pitfalls ahead. It will be a very bumpy road. But for the remainder of this transition year at least, nothing will immediately change...except that the Brits no longer have a say in formulating EU policies.

    It will start out tonight with a big celebration, but with a hitch. They could not get Big Ben working in time for the planned event so they will play a recording of Big Ben bonging at the moment of exit. In a way, the deep bong of Big Ben over London replaced by a "boing" -- a more tinny reproduction of Big Ben -- could be an omen of things to come...lots of hype, sound and fury, but maybe little change of substance. The two sides need each other. And Northern Ireland, may even increase its clout threatening to leave the United Kingdom.