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Trump calls NATO obsolete

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    MSN News: EU nations react with surprise, defiance to Trump remarks

    "BRUSSELS — European Union nations reacted with surprise and defiance Monday to Donald Trump's comments that he believed NATO was "obsolete" and that more member states would leave the 28-nation EU."

    German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said Trump's comments have "caused astonishment." Trump's views on NATO are of course not new. He has previously expressed his dissatisfaction that not all members are paying their fair share. But is his criticism of NATO sincere or is he just following Putin who would love it if NATO would break up? Putin would be forever beholden to Trump if Trump were responsible for the break-up of NATO. Or maybe there is even more to the story that we don't know...

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    I have to say that I'm not surprised. He's shown no willingness to learn even the most basic things about our international treaties and obligations and has convinced himself that he alone will be able to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants.

    NATO has helped usher in the longest peacetime Europe has ever seen and the continent will surely fall into a period of war and conflict if the organization is dissolved. Smaller eastern European countries will surely be vulnerable to Russian aggression and the bigger countries don't have the ability to protect them without help from the United States. I understand reading that will drive Dutch up a wall, but it's true. Europe will fall back, not move forward, if NATO breaks apart.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    No Jared this does not drive me "up the wall" ( Trumps "wall"?). The point is Schmidt means is that Trump has no notion what NATO is all about and what NATO itself spends; the point I made in the past was the "meddling" of the US demanding NATO what to spent on US made war toys, so the US makes money on their war exports; while Europe can built these likely much better suited for their environment and keep therefore Europeans employed, instead of giving their tax money for weapons they don't need but are forced down their throats by the US. The US is only interested to make "money" of their war toys; they could care less about what Europe wants or thinks.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Furthermore Trump critizised Merkel about her "refugee" policies; I guess he wants to "meddle" in foreign countries internal affairs as well. He should learn that other countries have their own"rules" and issues, which are none of his business. It is getting crazier by the day.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: No Jared this does not drive me "up the wall" ( Trumps "wall"?). The point is Schmidt means is that Trump has no notion what NATO is all about and what NATO itself spends; the point I made in the past was the "meddling" of the US demanding NATO what to spent on US made war toys, so the US makes money on their war exports; while Europe can built these likely much better suited for their environment and keep therefore Europeans employed, instead of giving their tax money for weapons they don't need but are forced down their throats by the US. Get the picture?

    We just look at things from a different perspective.

    I've spent many hours researching NATO and America's involvement in the organization. I firmly believe it's a vital organization that has helped usher in one of the longest periods of peacetime the continent has ever seen. The major European powers no longer fight wars against each other, but work together. NATO has helped bring that about by providing them guaranteed security.

    And I have to disagree with you concerning "US made war toys." Four of the top ten arms industries in the world are located in the EU - BAE Systems, the Airbus Group, Leonardo S.p.A., and Thales Group. These four groups employ hundreds of thousands of European citizens and supply as much, if not more, weaponry to NATO as the United States does.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Furthermore Trump critizised Merkel about her "refugee" policies; I guess he wants to "meddle" in foreign countries internal affairs as well. He should learn that other countries have their own"rules" and issues, which are none of his business. It is getting crazier by the day.
    No disagreement from me there.
  • Center Left
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    A silver lining ???? Maybe this ass clown will be so bad that we will only have 4 years of regression. Can this country survive 4 years favoring the wealthy, corporations, and the military war / profit machine ? Time will tell.