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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Didn't you side with Hillary about wages were fine and contradicted the 30 year stagnated wage claims.

    Please provide a link showing that I have ever said anything remotely close to that.

    Will you also please provide a link showing Secretary Clinton ever saying anything of the sort?

    Good luck.

    I purposely made that a question jaredsxtn and not an accusation. It doesn't need a link unless you feel you need to provide one.
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    TJ Wrote:

    A neighbor worked for Amazon locally and has many negative comments. They make it work though. The business formula is good and product prices are often very low. That's what financially challenged consumers want, low prices and delivery.

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    Amazon also would commonly tell workers to produce at 20% above the common expectations to win a t shirt. 1 t shirt from a box of surplus t shirts. Productivity up and no corporate cost. Didn't we fight the civil war 150 years ago to end slavery ?

    I wanted to make the point you just did about slave drivers, but was afraid someone using the forum would say something good about it. The people I know who worked at that place no longer work there, so, another dope filled their shoes, it's what places like those don't tell an applicant about the job that workers don't know and find out later after taking the job, I said job using that very loosely. But those DC jobs (distribution center) are only in select locations, not exactly in coal mining towns.
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    TJ Wrote: It's not all about a failed economy. It's about people making different choices. If people no longer want to go to the mall but instead want to buy clothes while drinking wine and watching television on their sofa.... it's a choice.
    That is your opinion but I have a theory the same as why jobs were lost to China. It is fact that all the foreign economies started out selling cheap low quality goods to the USA. When the US economy was good and people had relatively good wages, people shopped quality. As did the rest of the world that clamored for Made In Usa. As wages didn't keep up with inflation people started trending to shopping price over quality. The boosted the foreign economies and Japan started investing the new money in their industries. Their quality improved and costs stayed low. That attracted US investors. It wasn't market conditions that drove jobs overseas. It was Americans forced to shop price instead of quality. The same is happening now. Americans don't buy so much that shopping is an infringement on their time. People enjoyed going shopping and buying mail order was a turn off because of not being able to hold and examine goods. Now it is cheaper to buy online so shopping price over examining goods people are buying mail order. Same with movies. People are foregoing the big screen experience to watch videos at home. Movies at movie theaters didn't get expensive it is wages haven't kept up. Before being judgemental remember that I observed and described in detail the Trump phenomenal from the very beginning by observing objective details and facts and human nature. The same applies to lost jobs. Then and now.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I purposely made that a question jaredsxtn and not an accusation. It doesn't need a link unless you feel you need to provide one.

    That is one hell of a distinction without a difference.

    The "question" had two major errors. One accused me of being "fine" with stagnant wages with zero evidence backing it up. The other accused Hillary Clinton of being "fine" with stagnant wages although there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary.

    All I did was ask you to prove what you accused me of.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I purposely made that a question jaredsxtn and not an accusation. It doesn't need a link unless you feel you need to provide one.

    That is one hell of a distinction without a difference.

    The "question" had two major errors. One accused me of being "fine" with stagnant wages with zero evidence backing it up. The other accused Hillary Clinton of being "fine" with stagnant wages although there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary.

    All I did was ask you to prove what you accused me of.

    I thought you said your strong suit was grammar. I asked you a question. I didn't accuse you of anything. Do you understand grammar or not. A question is looking for information. Do you understand interrogation or not?
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    ques·tion

    ˈkwesCH(ə)n/

    noun

    1.

    a sentence worded or expressed so as to elicit information.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I thought you said your strong suit was grammar. I asked you a question. I didn't accuse you of anything. Do you understand grammar or not. A question is looking for information. Do you understand interrogation or not?

    I'm not about to get in a trivial back and forth with you. Your "question" was misleading at best. But I will point out that you ended your question with a period instead of a question mark...

    "Didn't you side with Hillary about wages were fine and contradicted the 30 year stagnated wage claims. [sic]"

    The so called "question" was more a statement than a question. That is unless you just want me to respond "no, I didn't side with Hillary about wages being fine. Oh by the way, Hillary never said that wages were fine."

    Would you have preferred me answer that way instead?

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    You have a confrontational obsession that drives you to no ends to distort facts to support your argument. It helps me to fine tune my posts but I don't think it benefits you at all. I will stop challenging you unless you agree to be objective.


    Another challenge. Incorrect punctuation does not change the character of a sentence. It is just incorrect punctuation.

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    I said to Schmidt: "But you appear to think that whatever happens is the simply the result of a normally functioning economy."
    jaredsxtn said: "As do I.

    Economies change, Chet."

    But you guys aren't willing to discuss another option. Closed door. I am trying to start relative discussions and you are simply closed minded confrontational. I wrote the above text about the punctuation right after I wrote the question to you just to see if all you are about is gotcha confrontation. That appears to be the case. I give up.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: That is your opinion but I have a theory the same as why jobs were lost to China. It is fact that all the foreign economies started out selling cheap low quality goods to the USA. When the US economy was good and people had relatively good wages, people shopped quality.

    There should be a giant asterisk here. White people "shopped quality," but the rest of the country was simply struggling to survive.

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    Like when I tell you the DNC needs to get on the ball and you defend them in spite of:

    Despite President Donald Trump’s low approval ratings and record donations for some liberal interest groups, the Republican National Committee (RNC) continues to dominate the Democratic National Committee (DNC) in fundraising.

    The RNC raised $13.5 million in June and has $44.7 million on hand, compared to just $5.5 million for the DNC, which has $7.5 million on hand. The DNC also added $200,000 in debt in June to its now-$3.3 million total debt.

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    No mas jaredsxtn !!!
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: But you guys aren't willing to discuss another option. Closed door. I am trying to start relative discussions and you are simply closed minded confrontational. I wrote the above text about the punctuation right after I wrote the question to you just to see if all you are about is gotcha confrontation. That appears to be the case. I give up.

    The problem is that you put words in peoples mouths and jump to the most wild conclusions whenever someone doesn't agree with everything you ever say.

    Case in point - I write that economies change and have always changed and you respond by accusing me and Hillary Clinton of being fine with stagnant wages.

    That is called a hasty conclusions logical fallacy. You twist sentences and sometimes even sentence fragments and ignore everything else in an effort to corner people into a box.

    Big box stores are closing because people vote with their wallets and their wallets are choosing to shop online. That isn't going to change no matter how much money you throw at it.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: That is your opinion but I have a theory the same as why jobs were lost to China. It is fact that all the foreign economies started out selling cheap low quality goods to the USA. When the US economy was good and people had relatively good wages, people shopped quality.

    There should be a giant asterisk here. White people "shopped quality," but the rest of the country was simply struggling to survive.

    Tiny mind. Facts are facts. At one time everybody in the world wanted Made In Usa. As conditions deteriorated here people started shopping price. That strengthened the cheaper labor costs foreign markets.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Tiny mind. Facts are facts.

    This utopia you constantly talk about was only a utopia for a select segment of society. That is most certainly a fact whether you want to admit it or not.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: At one time everybody in the world wanted Made In Usa.

    Yea, that's because WWII destroyed much of Europe, Asia, and Africa. It's easy to be the best when you're the only country manufacturing anything.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: As conditions deteriorated here people started shopping price.

    What conditions are you talking about? People are living longer than at any point in human history. People are also making more money than at any point in human history.

    Were some people left behind with technological advances? Absolutely. And I want to help those people get retrained to be able to work in a 21st Century job, but I also don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water and go backwards to some nostalgic (at least in your eyes) time where uneducated white men were given a great paying job they weren't remotely qualified for simply because they were white.

    The technological age we live in isn't going to be kind to unskilled workers. That's why education and job training are going to be key moving forward.