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    It's not all about a failed economy. It's about people making different choices. If people no longer want to go to the mall but instead want to buy clothes while drinking wine and watching television on their sofa.... it's a choice.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: "The topic is store closings Chet." Schmidt, Store closings are the result of a failing economy.

    Why are online retailers so successful if the economy is failing? And why are big box stores going all-in with online sales if the the economy is failing?

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: But you appear to think that whatever happens is the simply the result of a normally functioning economy.

    As do I.

    Economies change, Chet. They always have and they always will. There used to be tens of thousands of lamplighters lighting up city streets at night before the light bulb came around and seemingly put them out of work over night. There used to be tens of thousands of horse drawn carriage operators before Henry Ford came around and made their work obsolete. The list goes on and on and on and on and on.

    That is what you call a normally functioning economy. People vote with their wallets and they have been voting to purchase more and more items online and not at a store. I am one of those people. The thought of going to a mall and shopping makes me cringe.

    In the same breath, malls in many cities are reinventing themselves. One of the malls in Portland has a movie theater on the top level and a Dave and Busters type place has moved into the entire floor directly below it. Both make a killing because people come, spend their money on dinner and games and then spend more money at a movie.

    That's called adapting to a changing economy. Shit or get off the pot.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Amazon is hiring 50,000 people because online shopping has put 500 000 people out of work.

    This is no different than machines taking thousands of people off the assembly line or Uber and Lyft upending the taxi industry.

    There is no going back with technology. We can bitch and moan about it all we want, but people vote with their wallets whether you like it or not.

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    TJ Wrote: It's not all about a failed economy. It's about people making different choices. If people no longer want to go to the mall but instead want to buy clothes while drinking wine and watching television on their sofa.... it's a choice.
    Agreed. People vote with their wallets.
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    UPS Driver salaries

    UPS driver $73,651 per year average salary.

    Driver salaries at UPS can range from $25,000-$99,568.

    I should have looked this up before my previous post.

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    TJ Wrote: It's not all about a failed economy. It's about people making different choices. If people no longer want to go to the mall but instead want to buy clothes while drinking wine and watching television on their sofa.... it's a choice.
    The bad thing about buying online is that returning stuff is a pain. Last Christmas, I purchased two sleepwear items for my wife, one fit, the other pant legs were way too long, rather than send them back, I will need to uncover the sewing machine and hem them, btw, the items were made in China. When buy online, places that sell Chinese stuff have sizing charts which can differ quite a bit and are not accurate. Who want's to stand in line at a UPS store or the post office and pay for the return. Another example is Amazon, you have to jump through hoops to return stuff.
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    Dockadams Wrote: The bad thing about buying online is that returning stuff is a pain. Last Christmas, I purchased two sleepwear items for my wife, one fit, the other pant legs were way too long, rather than send them back, I will need to uncover the sewing machine and hem them, btw, the items were made in China. When buy online, places that sell Chinese stuff have sizing charts which can differ quite a bit and are not accurate. Who want's to stand in line at a UPS store or the post office and pay for the return. Another example is Amazon, you have to jump through hoops to return stuff.

    Huh?

    I've returned multiple items I purchased through Amazon and have had zero issues. I recently purchased a new grill and it arrived damaged. They had a FedEx driver pick up the damaged one the next day (free of charge) and I had a new one delivered the day after that (also free of charge). And that was a 150 pound package that would have cost me a small fortune to return.

    I hate to break it to you, but damn near everything is made overseas and stuff made in America is often made by businesses who exploit our H1B Visa program.


    A bit off topic, but Vice News recently did a great piece about a number of jobs Americans refuse to do. Shrimp boat operators have a standing offer for some pretty grueling work in the Gulf of Mexico that pays a solid middle-class wage, but they've lost tons of money because their 'Murican workers quit half way through their shift and insisted on being taken back to shore.

    They aren't alone. There are many jobs that Americans simply refuse to do because it's just too hard for them. Certain members of this website will undoubtedly try to push back on that fact, but the awesome thing about facts is that they can actually be confirmed regardless of how you feel.

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    It's true of many jobs that some people do not have the physical or mental fortitude to carry on the task. When some Chinese workers were interviewed about their assembly line job of building the Apple iPhone, their biggest complaint was the tedium of the job as well as working conditions. Many quit but there was always someone ready to take their place. From CNET:

    "There have been employee suicides, explosions at two plants that make Apple gadgets, and reports of harsh working conditions. A New York Times investigation of the manufacturing of Apple products in China in January painted a picture of a company that wants to improve the workplace at its partners such as Foxconn but "falters when it conflicts with crucial supplier relationships or the fast delivery of new products."

    "The employees always say the people outside want a job," one employee told me in an interview, "and the people inside want to quit."

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    "Why are online retailers so successful if the economy is failing? And why are big box stores going all-in with online sales if the the economy is failing?"

    And the DNC says: “A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages."

    So jaredsxtn, what should it be for the midterms?

    "Much ado about nothing" or "be satisfied" or "Thanks Trump"

    There seems to be a disconnect .

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    There also seems to be a disconnect about your opinions of the DNC.

    Have I ever once said I'm against better skills, jobs, or wages?

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    There also seems to be a disconnect about your opinions of the DNC.

    Have I ever once said I'm against better skills, jobs, or wages?

    Didn't you side with Hillary about wages were fine and contradicted the 30 year stagnated wage claims.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Didn't you side with Hillary about wages were fine and contradicted the 30 year stagnated wage claims.

    Please provide a link showing that I have ever said anything remotely close to that.

    Will you also please provide a link showing Secretary Clinton ever saying anything of the sort?

    Good luck.

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    Dockadams Wrote: The bad thing about buying online is that returning stuff is a pain. Last Christmas, I purchased two sleepwear items for my wife, one fit, the other pant legs were way too long, rather than send them back, I will need to uncover the sewing machine and hem them, btw, the items were made in China. When buy online, places that sell Chinese stuff have sizing charts which can differ quite a bit and are not accurate. Who want's to stand in line at a UPS store or the post office and pay for the return. Another example is Amazon, you have to jump through hoops to return stuff.

    Huh?

    I've returned multiple items I purchased through Amazon and have had zero issues. I recently purchased a new grill and it arrived damaged. They had a FedEx driver pick up the damaged one the next day (free of charge) and I had a new one delivered the day after that (also free of charge). And that was a 150 pound package that would have cost me a small fortune to return.

    I hate to break it to you, but damn near everything is made overseas and stuff made in America is often made by businesses who exploit our H1B Visa program.


    A bit off topic, but Vice News recently did a great piece about a number of jobs Americans refuse to do. Shrimp boat operators have a standing offer for some pretty grueling work in the Gulf of Mexico that pays a solid middle-class wage, but they've lost tons of money because their 'Murican workers quit half way through their shift and insisted on being taken back to shore.

    They aren't alone. There are many jobs that Americans simply refuse to do because it's just too hard for them. Certain members of this website will undoubtedly try to push back on that fact, but the awesome thing about facts is that they can actually be confirmed regardless of how you feel.

    Not huh. Consider yourself lucky that your return went smoothly. Others aren't.

    consumeraffairs.com/online/amazon.html

    I know a few people who work for the beloved corp. Amazon, it is a fast paced, break your back environment with forced overtime.

    Just wait till Trump's new immigration bill is signed into law, we'll be picking our own lettuce, cabbage and tomatoes. Or big corporation farmers will hire the other minority (black folks) and tell them that federal minimum wages are the best they'll pay. Trump's mouth already has migrant workers shaking in their shoes, border crossings are down as a result of his war on minorities.

    You're correct Jared, there's some jobs that WHITE Americans just won't do. I would like to think that members using this website would know of what you're speaking of pertaining to your last paragraph.

    When republicans get their way, they'll be means testing people who use social programs like EBT, Medicaid, housing and heating assistance and the like. When they fail means testing, they'll be forced to take jobs @ $7.25 an hour, which 40 hours of that wage doesn't even come close to paying rent, let alone the gas & electric bill.

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    While it's true Amazon is the Walmart of the internet, I have never had a problem returning things to them. I just sent back a $700 item I bought that was damaged by poor shipping with no problems at all. Yes, I did have tape the box up and drive a mile downtown to leave it off at the local UPS store but I got a pizza for lunch at the same time so it wasn't a total waste!
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    A neighbor worked for Amazon locally and has many negative comments. They make it work though. The business formula is good and product prices are often very low. That's what financially challenged consumers want, low prices and delivery.

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    Amazon also would commonly tell workers to produce at 20% above the common expectations to win a t shirt. 1 t shirt from a box of surplus t shirts. Productivity up and no corporate cost. Didn't we fight the civil war 150 years ago to end slavery ?

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    TJ Wrote: A neighbor worked for Amazon locally and has many negative comments. They make it work though. The business formula is good and product prices are often very low. That's what financially challenged consumers want, low prices and delivery.

    Of course they do TJ. It is the Mao-mart model. It is, in point of opinion, the so-called free market model. This is what people do not understand. Capital seeks returns, as high returns as possible. This can be achieved by creation of a new technology either providing a new product or new service or by reduction of cost. Of course financialized capital also drives short-termism which ties to cost reduction. Private equity still buys companies and strips them to drive "shareholder value" meaning the stock price to sell later making money. We can no more force capital to do the bidding of the common good than we can stop tides. People forget. And what they forget is the so-called golden age of capitalism. That is gone and it ain't coming back. The drive is lower prices which also forces capitalism's other Achilles heel, the need for constantly expanding markets.

    People are cutting their own throats.