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Republican repeal of ObamaCare

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Republicans in the House are lining up once again to repeal ObamaCare (ACA). They've done it over 60 times almost as a daily ritual attaching the words "job killing" to the front. With majorities in both houses of Congress (but not a filibuster proof majority in the Senate) they are planning to use the process of reconciliation to pass it through the Senate, which only requires 51 votes. The Center on Budget Policy and Priorities has provided a basic tutor on the reconciliation process for those interested.

    CBPP.Org: Introduction to Budget “Reconciliation”

    Trump will most likely sign anything that Congress approves without hesitation. He hates President Obama with a passion. We should expect him to gloat and rub it in when he signs the repeal...several Tweets.

    Republicans are eager to get this done quickly calling it their highest priority (actually their second highest after trying to the gut the Ethics Panel). Of course, Republicans have no replacement plans that can be voted on to replace the ACA, but that doesn't matter. They say they'll figure something out in the next few years. It will be called TrumpCare and Trump will go on a victory tour to celebrate the big win for him.

    Democrats are rallying around President Obama vowing to fight the Republicans every move. Maybe they'll have a lot to say that can be conveyed to the general public, but they just do not have the votes to stop them. And with opponents living in the Fox News bubble, it is hard to say whether Dem's noise will even make a dent over Trump's Tweets. Trump and Republicans seem to own the messaging.

    If the repeal has an automatic future activation date attached to it (e.g. two years), then it will be political hot potato for the next Congressional election in 2018. Chuck Shumer has promised "no compromises" but that is just bluster to the liberal faithful. Republicans can use reconciliation again to pass the new TrumpCare law early in 2018, and take it off the table for election fodder.

    The only way Dems can salvage key components of the law is for a massive grassroots protest movements. Sorry liberals. I just don't see that happening. I know you.

    That is my somewhat pessimistic (realistic?) view of the future. Trump wins barely. I hope I am wrong.

    Elections have consequences.

    Thoughts? Give me more hope....

  • Center Left
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    People laugh about Facebook but I was reading about this a long time ago. (All caps) must kill Obama care because we threatened to do so countless times and were continually stopped !!! Immature politicians playing childish games. True comical aspect is they never once considered an alternative plan. Now suddenly they have to work. The rich white boys have taken control of the private school. Don't tell them the extents wherein this goes badly.

    They want to keep kids on parents policy until 26 and the stinky fish is pre existing conditions. Profits versus controlling costs. Can't afford to have a heart.

    Trump campaigned that allowing competition state to state. My god, if he capitalizes on that the gloating will be endless. My opinion is the poor and sick get screwed but weren't they already..... not sincere but it's the mentality I expect.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Republicans in the House are lining up once again to repeal ObamaCare (ACA). They've done it over 60 times almost as a daily ritual attaching the words "job killing" to the front. With majorities in both houses of Congress (but not a filibuster proof majority in the Senate) they are planning to use the process of reconciliation to pass it through the Senate, which only requires 51 votes. The Center on Budget Policy and Priorities has provided a basic tutor on the reconciliation process for those interested.

    CBPP.Org: Introduction to Budget “Reconciliation”

    Trump will most likely sign anything that Congress approves without hesitation. He hates President Obama with a passion. We should expect him to gloat and rub it in when he signs the repeal...several Tweets.

    Republicans are eager to get this done quickly calling it their highest priority (actually their second highest after trying to the gut the Ethics Panel). Of course, Republicans have no replacement plans that can be voted on to replace the ACA, but that doesn't matter. They say they'll figure something out in the next few years. It will be called TrumpCare and Trump will go on a victory tour to celebrate the big win for him.

    Democrats are rallying around President Obama vowing to fight the Republicans every move. Maybe they'll have a lot to say that can be conveyed to the general public, but they just do not have the votes to stop them. And with opponents living in the Fox News bubble, it is hard to say whether Dem's noise will even make a dent over Trump's Tweets. Trump and Republicans seem to own the messaging.

    If the repeal has an automatic future activation date attached to it (e.g. two years), then it will be political hot potato for the next Congressional election in 2018. Chuck Shumer has promised "no compromises" but that is just bluster to the liberal faithful. Republicans can use reconciliation again to pass the new TrumpCare law early in 2018, and take it off the table for election fodder.

    The only way Dems can salvage key components of the law is for a massive grassroots protest movements. Sorry liberals. I just don't see that happening. I know you.

    That is my somewhat pessimistic (realistic?) view of the future. Trump wins barely. I hope I am wrong.

    Elections have consequences.

    Thoughts? Give me more hope....

    The hospital associations are saying repeal without replacing the Medicare/Medicaid cuts blow a half trillion dollar hole in their budgets over next decade. Would cause the very rationing of healthcare so feared by Republicans.

    What Trump and the Republicans will probably do is put an expiration date on Obamacare. If I were them, I would include a status quo clause, such that if a replacement measure is not in place by X date, Obamacare continues. The birth of the new system and the death of Obamacare have to overlap in order for there to be a transition and not complete chaos. Republicans can say 'we want to get it right. We've given ourselves a deadline and more than enough time to find an alternative. We have maintained Obamacare for the good of the nation until then, etc.'

    Or they can go the psycho route, repeal rather immediately without replacing, allow the whole thing to collapse, and blame Obama for it. They might not be able to get away with that and keep their seats. They did just elect Donald Trump.

    Trump has taken many public positions against Medicare/Medicaid cuts and repeal without replace, but he's already reversed course on multiple campaign positions. There is no certainty in what's going on.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes the Republicans are getting push back from several directions but they have their heads in the cesspool of their deep hate for Obama. Perhaps if they just made a few cosmetic improvements and relabeled it TrumpCare, we would all be better off. But they really need to make a big deal of it...they need to make it a big defeat for Obama. That is their real goal.

    Here's another article of interest.

    New York Times Editorial: Republicans Are Courting Disaster on Health Care

    Republicans just don't seem to care. They seem to believe all their own lies concocted over countless House repeals. Now their brains cannot think critically. They have effectively brainwashed themselves.

    The giddiness on display by them kind of reminds me of their actions almost eight years ago when certain members met on inauguration night and decided they would sabotage Obama's presidency. This will be the big nail in the coffin that they have frothed over since the act was passed.

  • Independent
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    Yes we'll wait and see. I just wonder what is wrong with the present ACA anyway? A common sense solution if the costs are to high, tax the rich they don't need the plan anyway. Problem solved as Bernie would say. In other words as Schmidt says it is only an "prestige" item for the GOP, but actually not such an big issue compared what we spent and have spent in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and other places for what return? Peace? No way!!!
  • Center Left
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    Most R's hate the ACA because it was caused by a black man. No matter how many lives were saved or improved. What does that say about who or what we are ? I am telling you this is the first yellow brick on the way to Oz.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: But they really need to make a big deal of it...they need to make it a big defeat for Obama. That is their real goal.

    And that is what's so unfortunate. Their hatred of President Obama goes so deep that they are more than willing to take away health coverage from 20 million American citizens and not think twice about it.

    I had some interesting discussions with my conservative family members who are so gung-ho about repeal during the holiday season. They salivate at the prospect of handing President Obama a "loss" but immediately go into defense mode once I bring up the fact that millions of people will soon be thrown off their insurance. They insist that it's the Democrats fault for making them do this and that voters will blame the Democrats in the long run.

    The sad thing is that I actually agree with them. Not because I think they have a strong argument, but because I've come to realize that facts no longer matter and the loudest voice in the room will win. If Trump repeats that it's Democrats fault he took away their healthcare enough then enough of his supporters will actually believe him.

  • Independent
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    So Jared you finally agree that the "brains" in this country are programmed in an strange way. Thus there must be something wrong in the education field; I said an long time ago that Americans are missing an piece of their brain; "common sense" here is optional. Bullies win as you said. That's why the Democrats loose because they are way too mellow and calm and try to behaving as having an bit of class and decency. That does not fit anymore in the present society, especially if it concerns "money" and "capitalism". Only the "buck" counts not an calm easy happy life in an clean non polluted environment. Capitalism creates corruption and "greed". Then if you add on top of that "religion" then you get fascism and hate as well an crowd which you can turn into indoctrinated "robots" which you can manipulate any way you like. Due to the lack of "social" training it will become more and more an "me" only society; Trump is an excellent example. Yes we are moving rapidly to an "dictatorship" which will be boosted and promoted by the churches. ( Pence and Ryan are their spokesmen)
  • Independent
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    I saw an interview of Gupta ( TV doctor) with an guy who voted for Trump, but did not wanted to get rid of his "Obama care" because he needed that badly. I bet he's not the only one who will be sorry. His excuse was that all the other "things" Trump promised would "help" the economy. After a while he likely will backtrack on that one as well. Guaranteed. Suggest to start new elections within an year, then we will win by an landslide. (or sooner after he and Pence, Ryan are impeached)
  • Center Left
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    This was interesting. These assholes can be spiteful but the net loses might be substantial. I think once they explain that it's undoing what a black man initiated it will all be accepted.

    cnbc.com/2017/01/05/obamacare-repeal-co...

  • Center Left
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    According to info from Bernie Sanders, It's all about money. That was assumed initially but it appears there's more. The most wealthy getting more. The poor are nothing if there's a profit motive. That's likely to be a reoccurring theme.

    bipartisanreport.com/2017/01/13/bernie-...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    TJ -- Thanks for the two articles. Those articles confirm other articles from the past with similar conclusions but varying numbers as to costs and jobs lost if no replacement plan is immediately implemented. That's the caveat on all of these studies... the so called replacement plan(s). Most all of these studies agree that depending on the replacement plan, the negative effects of repealing ObamaCare can be mitigated and in fact become positive if they would go a step further on Medicaid expansion or perhaps a public option for those states where there is only one provider. However for that to happen, any replacement plan would have to look exactly like ObamaCare except adding a few improvements, things that Dems wanted to add but were blocked by Republicans. That is the dilemma for the Republicans...how to replace ObamaCare with ObamaCare and not make the public aware that it is ObamaCare.

    The apparent solution is to immediately repeal but put the date of the repeal sometime in the distant future while they pretend to come up with an alternative. They will probably even take out some of the provisions related to Obama's executive actions to make it less functional in the meantime. The important point here though is to give enough time for the public to believe that ObamaCare has indeed been repealed -- that may take a few years. So whatever they come up with as a replacement plan, even if it is very similar to ObamaCare, the public must believe that it is a Republican plan. Maybe they will call it TrumpCare, but many Republicans don't want to give that asshole credit either. So maybe RepublicanCare or "The Paul Ryan Healthcare Plan to Save America" or something similar.

    Right now, however, Republicans have not been able to come up with a plan that the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) or any other organization can score (other than ObamaCare II). So all we are seeing so far in studies is the cost of repeal without the benefits of replace. It has Republicans in a pickle as they just cannot have a replacement plan scored now that looks just like ObamaCare. They need time to change public perceptions. Hence the delay date to implement the new plan.

    That's the ultimate goal -- to not give President Obama any historical legacy on healthcare for all Americans. After all, ObamaCare looks pretty similar to RomneyCare.

  • Independent
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    Yes Tony, unbelievable!! I wished the 20 million people would parade to Washington and block the inauguration. But I doubt if they have the guts. Anyway everything the GOP and Trump touches becomes smelly, so I just keep following this mess and don't get upset anymore; got to think about my heart.
  • Center Left
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    Republican politicians could make this a win for all people. The pres. Elect could make 5 or 6 changes and say.... "You know I just saved millions of Americans because I am a great negotiator, and I am making America great again". He could make a few adjustments to make it more affordable & in essence act like it was his idea. Insurance corporations and big pharma are not paying any share so some fine tuning is in order. One thing is certain, Trump has masterful spin doctors so he will do damned little and take far too much credit. Maybe the insurance and pharma segments do deserve a hard kick in the ass.
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    The ultimate goal is the complete de-coupling of democracy from the economy. Unfortunately democracy and capitalism/capital are incompatible. Therefore the forces of the so-called free market theologians far from demanding a weak state which is the theological lie of the libertarians actually demand an authoritarian state which is used to quash any redistributive downward impetus of democracy. The authoritarian state is used to install economic technocrats unaccountable to the people to maintain in particular the returns of the banks and financial sector. The repeal of the ACA is simply part and parcel of destruction of democracy and the elevation of the power of capital in general and the financial sector in particular.

    you are not a citizen, you are a consumer.