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Trump Voters Will be Hit Hardest After Obamacare Repeal

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Ezra Klein, Vox, March 24, 2017: How Paul Ryan played Donald Trump

    Ezra Klein points out something that has been obvious to many of us, but perhaps not so many in the media. He has become a pitchman for Paul Ryan because he didn't have the time or patience or perhaps the intellectual ability to really understand the complexities of both Obamacare and Trumpcare (or is it Ryancare?). Trump has spent the past week fighting for a health care bill that he didn't campaign on, had little to do in writing it, doesn't understand what's in it and therefore cannot talk about it or "make a deal" to get it moving in Congress. And most of all he is inept at defending it.

    The bill is miles from the terms of the proposed health care bill he campaigned on, and has been forced to adopt the "Ryan plan" as his own...or sort of. Ryan meanwhile has been heaping praise on Trump for "being the ultimate closer" on this deal. Quoting Ryan, "I've never seen a president as deep and as involved and engaged on passing the signature legislation as this one." Ryan knows how to appeal to Trump's ego with flattery.

    And that folks is how Ryancare became Trumpcare.

    Trump, the ultimate con artist, has been conned by Ryan. However, he can never admit it. He will cast blame on Congress, Democrats and Barack Obama after the bill fails.

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    It's a bit like a gang of thieves, they use each other for as long they both benefit. If we go back a just a few months, Trump was tweeting nasty things about Ryan, and Ryan did not support during the campaign. As things go politically, so does their working relationship. IMHO, Ryan would love to replace Trump with Pence, and I fully expect that as things get worse for Trump, Ryan will protect himself to make sure that when Trump no longer has any effective political power, that Ryan does not find himself at risk of losing his seat.

    If the healthcare reform vote fails, it will be interesting to see\hear Trump's reaction. If he follows his pattern, he will place 100% of the blame on others, and that he did what he promised during the campaign, but congress block it, he'll more or less take credit for willing sign health care reform, but congress refused to put the bill on his desk, something like this "I promised I would sign a health care form bill, so don't blame me that congress burned the bill on the floor of House. They are the losers, not me"

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The Trumpcare (i.e. Ryancare) bill has been pulled by Ryan after consultation with Trump. Don't know if they will try again soon or just lick their wounds. The bill had a 17 percent approval rating amongst the public so it was hard to understand why they were proceeding without regard to the views of their constituents.

    I suppose now they will continue with sabotage efforts against Obamacare hoping to change the public's perception.

    Next up on the Trump agenda --- Tax cuts for the rich and corporations.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: I suppose now they will continue with sabotage efforts against Obamacare hoping to change the public's perception.

    That does worry me, but I have a suspicion that doing so will only make matters worse for them. Punishing working class white voters by making it impossible to receive healthcare probably isn't the best way to get them more solidly on your side.

    Schmidt Wrote: Next up on the Trump agenda --- Tax cuts for the rich and corporations.

    What confuses me is why he didn't just push for tax cuts for the rich and corporations first. That's the Republican holy grail and a heck of a lot less dividing among House and Senate Republicans than taking away healthcare from millions of their constituents.

    The only problem now is that he's wasted precious political capital on a bill that was destined to fail. The Freedom Caucus and moderate Republicans now know that they can rebuke the President. That typically happens in the months leading up to an election, but not two months into a Presidency.

  • Center Left
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    This MUST be called Trumpcare. 100% Trumpcare because it will be bad and thus no dodging the bullet. He knows it is going to be bad so he would prefer no association. The moronic Republican party wanted to call it Obama care in a negative onslaught. This crazy Republican should get no chance to not have the replacement carry his name. You replace what didn't need replaced, You're damned right it will carry your name.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Ezra Klein, Vox, March 24, 2017: How Paul Ryan played Donald Trump

    Ezra Klein points out something that has been obvious to many of us, but perhaps not so many in the media. He has become a pitchman for Paul Ryan because he didn't have the time or patience or perhaps the intellectual ability to really understand the complexities of both Obamacare and Trumpcare (or is it Ryancare?). Trump has spent the past week fighting for a health care bill that he didn't campaign on, had little to do in writing it, doesn't understand what's in it and therefore cannot talk about it or "make a deal" to get it moving in Congress. And most of all he is inept at defending it.

    The bill is miles from the terms of the proposed health care bill he campaigned on, and has been forced to adopt the "Ryan plan" as his own...or sort of. Ryan meanwhile has been heaping praise on Trump for "being the ultimate closer" on this deal. Quoting Ryan, "I've never seen a president as deep and as involved and engaged on passing the signature legislation as this one." Ryan knows how to appeal to Trump's ego with flattery.

    And that folks is how Ryancare became Trumpcare.

    Trump, the ultimate con artist, has been conned by Ryan. However, he can never admit it. He will cast blame on Congress, Democrats and Barack Obama after the bill fails.

    Nice piece. Don't forget that Trump is an accidental President.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:Don't forget that Trump is an accidental President.

    So true! I suspect that the #1 person who regrets his vote for Trump, is Trump himself. Right now he wishes could be at Trump tower relaxing, watching reality TV, and tweeting how much he hates President Hillary Clinton, and conspiracy theories about her.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I read a report that Trump was upset that all his family was out skiing in Aspen during critical phase of the Trumpcare debate and vote counting in the House. In other words, Trump had to make a decision on his own without Jared Kushner or Ivanka there to tell him what to do. He was forced to follow Paul Ryan's recommendation to pull the bill.

    On another note, Ivanka also was criticized by women's organizations for being silent as the men of the Republican House stripped the health care bill of all women's benefits in an effort to get it passed.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    MSN, March 25, 2017: In Trump country, voters know who’s to blame for the health care debacle. And it’s not their president

    They blame the establishment. They blame the Democrats. They blame the media. But it seems that few voters in Trump country blame President Trump for the stunning collapse of the Republican-led effort to repeal and replace Obamacare.

    “He did all he could, I think,” said Edward Reede, 73, who was pacing the sidewalk as he waited for a relative in the rural town of Fort Royal in northwest Virginia. “You can only do so much as president. You can only twist so many arms.”

    “We just need to give President Trump time,” said Joleen Dudley, a real estate agent in Canton, Ga. “He isn’t one to give up, or he wouldn’t be a billionaire.”

    “I’m confident they’ll get something done,” said Mike Tomes, 56, who grows corn and soybeans in Utica, Neb.

    “I’m a man of faith and I believe that things are going to change,” said Brian Bailey, 42, a landscape foreman in Murfreesboro, Tenn.

    That's a sampling of views of Trump voters. It would seem the support for Trump is as strong as he once described it when he said he could shoot someone in the street. There is nothing he can do that would make them turn against him. There's a psychological term for it...maybe cognitive dissonance or something else.

    They also vote.

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    All der ubergroppenfuhrer had to do was tell Ryan that he would not back the bill or that he wanted to wait until there were in-depth discussions about it prior to throwing it out there. This lies completely and totally at Trump's feet. It underscores how completely unsuited he is to this enormous job (really no one person can do the job, it is to big). As for Ryan, he is simply a piece of trash.
  • Independent
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    It is quite simple ; as I said many times, "it is the "system" here which is crazy". But no one wants to admit this; thus just muddle on the American way. Sure ask the Dem's to help them, but their "system" is still "American" thus again inventing the wheel all over again. Why don't ask the Canadians or Europeans; their "system" works.

    I've never seen such an stubborn antique arrogant country as this; they think they know it all, but only keep digging bigger holes to fall in. Crazy election laws, crazy government set up of 1800, which does not work nowadays. You can defend and study the Constitution forever, but that does not bring you into 2017 in this world. Just let an Supreme court Judge sit there till he dies is totally ridiculous. Everybody having guns, even the mentally sick is totally ridiculous. Having "votes" which don't count because some "electoral college' invention of 1800 is totally ridiculous. Having "church" craziness injected into our laws is totally ridiculous. Having only 2 parties is totally ridiculous. Etc Etc.

    As long as these things are not corrected then we get the present mess over and over again. Capitalism does not work either as proven ( too big an gap between "rich" and "poor") ; Trumps government is purely Generals and billionaires. This country is asking for this huge mess we are in.

    Even on the news they said "why don't we copy the Canadian system" cost are an lot cheaper than here.

    I know an lot of readers hate my guts for saying this, because they can't stand the truth because of their "baked in" indoctrinated national pride. Truth hurts.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Getting back to the Trump voters, the Washington Post (via MSN) sent a reporter (Jenna Johnson) to Durant, Oklahoma to talk with them on how Trump's proposed budget (if passed) will affect them.

    MSN, Washington Post, April 2, 2017: Trump’s budget would hit rural towns especially hard — but they’re willing to trust him

    She covers most all the proposed cuts in social programs listening to the locals express their thoughts. The responses are mixed...some say the cuts will be devastating...others say they'll tough it out. They blame immigrants and corporations for shipping their jobs overseas. And they also blame each other. Here is a sampling of views:

    “Working people like me can’t afford it. Now, if you’re low-income, they can get it for nothing — but the low-income gets taken care of regardless,” Munholland said. “God bless America, but it has gone to the dogs.”

    “What would God say if you said, I’m going to take all of this money away from the poor and give it to airplanes?” said Briedwell, a member of the Choctaw Nation, which is headquartered in Durant. “We have enough of that already.”

    “At my house, if we don’t have that money, we don’t have that money. We don’t go out and spend money that we don’t have,” said Garner, 57. “We try to find alternative ways to make the things that are important happen. I expect the government to do the same. It’s our tax dollars. We need to be good stewards.”

    Johnson closes her article with this paragraph:

    "On a recent afternoon, Long interrupted the students’ late-afternoon meal of pigs-in-a-blanket to introduce a reporter. A mention of the president prompted excited applause from the children, and a small group of boys at one table started chanting: “Trump! Trump! Trump!” "

    And there you go...

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    The worst part is that Trump selected people from those "dumb" States, like Oklahoma, Alabama, Indiana, Kentucky etc. Thus I'm not surprised at all; Sessions is an total ass as well Pence.