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    Although we do not know what is in the secret Republican plan of Obamacare replacement (being held under lock and key in a secret room), we can get some idea of how the various options proposed by Republicans compare with Obamacare using a handy tool created by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

    KFF: Compare Proposals to Replace The Affordable Care Act

    Look at the KFF website. It has three columns where you can compare the various plans...insert whatever plans you want to compare in the three columns. If you need more detail, just click on the categories on the lower part of the page.

    None of this addresses costs/benefits. We'll eventually need the CBO to score the secret room plan, that is unless Republicans do a quick "show" after it is unveiled from the secret room...and then a quick vote before anyone is the wiser.

    Of course none of these proposals can be reduced to a 140 character tweet much to the chagrin of Donald Trump who recently declared," nobody knew healthcare can be so complicated". I suppose he tried to summarize his plan into a 140 character tweet and it was too complicated for him. Or maybe he never ever had a plan...a secret.

    Health care is indeed complicated, and while we can compare what is in and what is out, we need a more comprehensive analysis by non-partisan organizations and the CBO. The KFF has a few links to articles and studies of interest, but nothing is current with respect to the secret room plan. I've read where that secret room plan is fairly complete but is still being held back.

    Anyone want to wager on how much time Republicans will give us to understand the secret room plan before they vote on it?

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    What has any Republican President done to help the lower/working classes? I doubt this group is any different. I would bet there taking away will be called making competitive. Everything doesn't have to be competitive to be good. Single payer is the only humane answer. Even Obama care overlooked the poor. Obama care said if you can't afford insurance you get a waiver to not buy it. That is a bare underbelly that leaves Obamacare at a disadvantage.
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    Most of his supporters probably don't want details but the other (many, many) millions of Americans need health insurance also. Don't just dumb down the message because chances are that any alternative plan will suck even though it won't have the self imposed black man's name on it. It's time for Americans to start telling news organizations to get in the game and investigate / report real news and information or lose massive numbers of viewers for not investigating and reporting.
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    I highly doubt my premiums triple, my deductible skyrockets and my coverages go down at the rate it did since Obamacare.

    I'm curious to see people pick apart what the GOP has proposed. Is it good, bad, ugly ....

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    Huffington Post, March 6, 2017: House Republicans Unveil Bill To Repeal Obamacare

    "House Republican leaders on Monday formally unveiled legislation to repeal most of the Affordable Care Act and “replace” it with a very different health policy scheme ? one in which government would do a lot less to help people get comprehensive health insurance and, most likely, many more people would struggle to find affordable medical care."

    I haven't had time to study the Republican plan yet. The Huffington Post has hit on a few key points, but I'll defer for now. In the meantime you can browse what they have to say at the above link and chime in.

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    conservativecat Wrote:

    I highly doubt my premiums triple, my deductible skyrockets and my coverages go down at the rate it did since Obamacare.

    I'm curious to see people pick apart what the GOP has proposed. Is it good, bad, ugly ....

    Ha, ha! Another trumpy supporter who still believes trumpy gives a rats ass about him or anyone else.
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    I know what Obamacare did to my health care. My deductible went to $3900 from co-pay's only, I have to have an HSA and my total max now is $8900 out of pocket. Now, that's bad enough .... but I pay $300 more a month for having lost so much in benefits .... it sucks more than I ever expected it too.

    If you don't pay for your insurance, you don't care ... I get that, "free" is something most people don't understand. But for working American's ... Obamacare has cost us dearly.

    Now to be fair ... I highly question that the GOP has put together a stable plan. Maybe they have ..... I guess we can do like Pelosi and pass that suckers so we'll know what's in it, right ?

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    Don't complain; this country always wants to invent the "wheel" again. Why does the "healthcare" program work in Canada and all of Europe including Scandinavia? Do you really think what is now on the table will work? Certainly not for the poor or invalid person. Especially for people who are below the poverty line they don't pay taxes, they can't use "tax credits" or "vouchers" either. Yes this arrogant/naive country will never learn from others; let's spent $54 billion on war tools on top of the trillions we already spent on wars and fun killing tools, as well on "artificial limbs and rehab" for the VA, that will help the "health" of this country. And someone says we are number one; yes in craziness.

    As example: You get an heart attack; the hospital cost including stents etc cost $55,000; you get an voucher of $2000.-,then you still owe $53,000 thus then you may have to sell your house or your cows. I don't call that "insurance"

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    Dutch - it doesn't work well in Canada and other countries unless you think sub-par medical care that's weeks and months wait away is working. There is a reason people from all over the world come to the US for specialized care.

    Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I will see my premiums double again and my coverage fall, again ..... and if so, then the GOP has failed like Obama and the DNC did.

    this was said earlier today ......... makes sense to me. Responsibility is a great thing that's been lost to many Americans.

    "Americans have choices, and they've got to make a choice. So rather than getting that new iPhone that they just love and want to go spend hundreds of dollars on that, maybe they should invest in their own health care.

    "They've got to make those decisions themselves," Chaffetz added.

    Camerota asked if health care will "require some sacrifice" for lower-income Americans.

    "We have to be able to lower the cost of health care," he said. "We do think that with more choices, that you will get a better product at a lower price and that will be good for everybody on the entire spectrum of income."

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    conservativecat Wrote: Dutch - it doesn't work well in Canada and other countries unless you think sub-par medical care that's weeks and months wait away is working. There is a reason people from all over the world come to the US for specialized care.

    That's not what a solid majority of Canadians say.

    You gotta stop reading right wing tabloids to get your information man. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad. As I have tried to inform you - Google is your friend because Google will show you what you want to read. If you want to see cute cat videos then Google will happily give you a vast array of cute cat videos. If you want to read conspiracy theory garbage then Google will happily give you that, as well.


    We have more than a few friends who live in Canada and they have nothing but glowing things to say about their healthcare system. And, while there hasn't been a major study in awhile, Canadian's writ large overwhelming back up their views in every major poll.

    That, and Canadian's rank 11th in the world for life expectancy while the United States comes in at a dismal 43.

    But who am I kiddin? When have you shown a penchant for facts?

    conservativecat Wrote: this was said earlier today ......... makes sense to me. Responsibility is a great thing that's been lost to many Americans.

    Jason Chaffetz is an idiot.

    An iPhone costs at most $1,000 and that is typically spread out over two years.

    Health coverage, on average, costs $10,345 per year.

    Let's do an elementary math exercise: $1,000 is more or less than $10,345? We will all patiently await your answer to see if you are able to tell which number is larger.

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    Did he say the iphone was all that would have to be given up ? it was an example .... and he's right. How much could you save every month by giving up your new phone, your games, you cable TV, eating out every night etc? $500 ? $1000 ?

    What's health care worth ? Oh ... you want that free huh? Nothing is free.

    I hope it will encourage people to get jobs - jobs are good, you are contributing to society, earning money to spend, health care and benefits comes with good ones. Everyone should have a good job - its a great concept

    your number is very skewered - I pay around $750 a month I think for a family of 4 but that's including $400 a month into an HSA ..... and I don't have good insurance

    About 5 percent of the population — those most frail or ill — accounts for nearly half the spending in a given year.

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    conservativecat Wrote: Did he say the iphone was all that would have to be given up ? it was an example .... and he's right. How much could you save every month by giving up your new phone, your games, you cable TV, eating out every night etc? $500 ? $1000 ?

    Your party's war on the poor is sickening. I often wonder how people like you sleep at night while poor people are treading water just to survive.

    Blaming poor people for all of your problems has been a tried and true method of the Republican party dating back decades.

    The federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour. If that person is "lucky" enough (and I use that term very lightly) then they would earn $290/week and $1,160/month. Do you think that person earning $1,160/month in their full time job is wasting all of their money on video games and eating out every night?

    Seriously man. What's wrong with you?

    conservativecat Wrote: What's health care worth ? Oh ... you want that free huh? Nothing is free.

    No, I want Medicare for all. You know - like every other industrialized country in the world has. I encourage you to study up on their mortality rates compared to ours. Maybe you will learn something new!

    conservativecat Wrote: I hope it will encourage people to get jobs - jobs are good, you are contributing to society, earning money to spend, health care and benefits comes with good ones. Everyone should have a good job - its a great concept

    Another Republican red herring.

    How do you propose a single mom who you forced to have a baby get a job if you don't want the government to provide child care for her? Should she just leave little Johnny at home and hope for the best while she's gone?

    Or what about the 55 year old coal miner whose mine shut down? What business (other than one who only offers minimum wage) will hire a 55 year old whose only skill is mining coal when they can hire someone 30 years younger and isn't likely to become a burden to the company's healthcare bills?

    And don't even get me started about the assembly line worker who just lost her job to a machine.

    This is what drives me nuts about you Republicans. You think with your gut and not your brain.

    conservativecat Wrote: your number is very skewered - I pay around $750 a month I think for a family of 4 but that's including $400 a month into an HSA ..... and I don't have good insurance

    Do you understand that you are one person in a country of over 300 million?

    And do you understand that what you pay each month in premiums is different than total healthcare expenditures writ large?

    I also provided a link for you to take some time out of your busy day to read through. But, who am I kidding? Why in the world did I think that you would actually click on it when your gut tells you that you're right?

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    Jared good answers; just to answer this brainwashed Republican. I lived in various countries with great health are. First the Dutch everything is covered from childhood, second I lived in Canada for 10years, everything covered, third in France, everything covered. Now in the US; got an huge complicated "bible" like document; which only pays by 'tiers" as well co-pays. Which I never had in other countries.

    My daughter still lives in Canada and had an ski accident; an collapsed lung as well. Everything was paid including the therapy afterwards. So don't B.S. me. This country is still in the stone age and getting deeper into it.

    Let me tell you why they can't provide a decent healthcare system here. It is because of the corruption; lobbyists determine cost (my neighbor was one of them) so I know how it works here. Seen all the adds on TV for "drugs" (ask your doctor); these "add" costs are of course recuperated from the patient, which ever way, you pay for it. Doctors here are part of the "rip off". We have that experience that an doctor was fired because he got "kick backs" from an outside MRI provider and we found out that these MRI's were absolutely unneeded. I guess you have no idea on how corrupt this country is. In Miami "Medicare" was ripped off for close to $10 million. Only money counts, not health. In the countries I mentioned; "adds" for pills" etc. are not allowed in Europe; doctors or services are not allowed to charge more than agreed with the government. Drugs are a hell of a lot cheaper than here; my wife travels frequently to Europe and gets the drugs there at about 30% of the price here. In Spain even cheaper. Doctors cost are also about half of here. Thus I hope finally that you drop your indoctrination and accept that things like healthcare as well lots of other things work better outside this "island", because the total "arrogance/corruption" here prevents people here to copy good things from people who did invent the "wheel" an long time ago. The refusal of his government to tackle the "real" reason for the cost is obvious; the "billionaires" only want to get richer over your "dead" body. That is the "structure" of this country. Be proud of it!

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    Don't waste your time even responding to Conservative numb nuts.

    Here is an interesting report on "American exceptualism"

    washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2...

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    Dutch why the hell are you here in the US then if this is such a crap place to live?

    You know what the best system in the world is? Nobody works, everyone gets $500,000 a year, we all get to live in million dollar mansions and have ferraris ....... wouldn't that be great? We all deserve that don't we ?

    You listed countries that have have national health plans true - what's the cost? NOTHING is free .... so who's paying for it and how and then also what things do those countries NOT have that the US does?

    The US has national health care - its called the VA and it sucks, ask a vet. Its also called medicare/medicaid and its a billion dollar sucking machine that the Govt has botched as they botch everything. Double examples of failures for you