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Trump winning public image.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Trump was mentioned as being a better choice than Pence. That proves the power Trump has over people. He will say or do anything to get his way. He has no limiting factor. There is no imagining how dangerous he is. But he can come across as less dangerous. As I said over a year ago. He is a serious force to deal with. Even he is amazed with his power over people. Remember when he said he could shoot somebody in plain sight and not lose supporters? Remember when all Republicans were against him and now they line up at the doors of the Tower to kiss the ring. The biggest show of evil was Gates going to Trump. Mr. Life is not fair teaming with Mr. Say anything to win. Not only are the working people going to suffer. Anybody not a billionaire will suffer as the whoosh of air from all the money going to the top takes away the air to breath. Merry Christmas.
  • Independent
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    Chet, an Merry X-Mas to you too. Yes you are absolutely right. The US in the world will be seen as an "dictatorship" nothing else. The "bullies" have taken over; results will be as you said. Thus "deplorables" you got what you wanted, so be happy and don't complain afterwards. It will not only be the "money" but also your personal "freedoms" which will be taken away. It will be as in the "olden days"; "castle lords" and the " lower/robot/slave" class.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch, In the USA money is freedom.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Well I'm not so sure how much Trump has won over the true public's image, but he sure seems to be doing a good job with all Republicans, many of whom opposed him in the often bitter primaries. The indoctrination of the tribe requires faith. Take GOP Chairman Reince Priebus' Christmas message to the tribe, lest they have thoughts of straying from the flock:

    "Over two millennia ago, a new hope was born into the world, a Savior who would offer the promise of salvation to all mankind. Just as the three wise men did on that night, this Christmas heralds a time to celebrate the good news of a new King." -- Reince Priebus

    I added the bolding. Have faith in the "new King". He is our savior and will be doing "God's work".

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Well I'm not so sure how much Trump has won over the true public's image, but he sure seems to be doing a good job with all Republicans, many of whom opposed him in the often bitter primaries. The indoctrination of the tribe requires faith. Take GOP Chairman Reince Priebus' Christmas message to the tribe, lest they have thoughts of straying from the flock:

    "Over two millennia ago, a new hope was born into the world, a Savior who would offer the promise of salvation to all mankind. Just as the three wise men did on that night, this Christmas heralds a time to celebrate the good news of a new King." -- Reince Priebus

    I added the bolding. Have faith in the "new King". He is our savior and will be doing "God's work".

    How sick can you get! I indeed wished it was an "King". In the Netherlands the "King" has no power at all; he's only used to hand out medals or do ceremonial things. The only big difference over there is that King and Queen mix with the people and have barely any body guards. Thus let Trump become an King, without power.!! Anyway in your last line, I doubt if any "god" thing approves of this woman groper.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I talked to a Trump supporter who approached me about what I thought now that Trump was in. I asked her what had her support? She said making America great again with lots of good paying jobs. I told her that prior to the campaign he said wages and taxes were to high. His very first campaign answer about minimum wage was he would not raise it. He wants to keep American wages low to be competitive. I agree that to his way of thinking to get jobs back you have to cut wages. But, I told her shortly after that he changed his message to lots of good paying jobs. I asked her what she now thought that she voted for him because of a lie. Then she said it was about his overall morals. I just told you how he lied for your vote, how is that moral? She started talking about more police and veterans. I let the conversation go her way and then into family holiday plans. But no doubt in my mind that Trump came away the winner. It was family and this morning talking to my wife she mentioned Hillary changed her position too. Final score: Trump's president.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Robert Leonard, New York Times Opinion, January 5, 2016: Why Rural America Voted for Trump

    The title of Robert Leonard's opinion article in the New York Times could just as well have read, "Why Rural America Always Votes for Republicans". Leonard writes about why rural Americans vote Republican in his home state of Iowa. Much of what he writes is not new. We have discussed many of the factors before in this website. However, the one new revelation is how worldviews are shaped by a rather weird indoctrination of that demographic.

    Leonard cites a 2015 discussion he had with a rural Baptist minister, J.C. Watts. Quoting Watts:

    “The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans believe people are fundamentally bad, while Democrats see people as fundamentally good,” said Mr. Watts, who was in the area to campaign for Senator Rand Paul. “We are born bad,” he said and added that children did not need to be taught to behave badly — they are born knowing how to do that.

    “We teach them how to be good,” he said. “We become good by being reborn — born again.”

    He continued: “Democrats believe that we are born good, that we create God, not that he created us. If we are our own God, as the Democrats say, then we need to look at something else to blame when things go wrong — not us.”

    That faith based belief according to Leonard is the foundation upon which many rural worldviews of liberals in the urban environment are based. I do not agree that Leonard's stereotype applies to all rural voters and maybe not even a majority of rural voters who vote Republican, but I do believe that Watts being a masterful Baptist minister is able to sell that point well in his bubble of supporters.

    Leonard goes on to describe the resentment that rural Americans have for urban Americans because they feel "left out". That worldview has less to do with being born bad or good, but rather just the envy of the "other" living in the urban environment where they perceive their taxes are being disproportionately spent to the detriment of rural America suffering from lack of investment in roads, schools and healthcare. However, it does show to me how opportunists like Reverend Watts can twist an economic situation to their benefit. Blame the "other" for their circumstances in life.

    The fact is that rural America is also a victim of advances in technology. Fewer and fewer farm laborers are needed as machines do the jobs that once supported a thriving community. Factory farms have displaced many family owned farms as younger folks have fled to the cities where they become more "liberalized". Ditto for the coal mining communities.

    Even if these communities were allowed to keep 100 percent of their taxed dollars, many would have a hard time sustaining themselves without outside support. Many of them indeed receive more tax dollars than they send out to the government coffers. That's not the message that Trump will deliver...just the opposite. It's one reason why he and his fellow Republicans win the public image in rural America. There are, of course, others but those are topics for another post.

    Leonard closes with this statement:

    "Rural conservatives feel that their world is under siege, and that Democrats are an enemy to be feared and loathed. Given the philosophical premises Mr. Watts presented as the difference between Democrats and Republicans, reconciliation seems a long way off."

    I agree on that latter point. Read Leonard's full article at the above link. I have only touched on the parts that resonated with me.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    PS -- Here is another quote from Leonard's article with respect to Ted Cruz on the campaign trail in Iowa:

    "When Ted Cruz campaigned in a neighboring town in 2015, I watched as a couple of dozen grade-school pupils sat at his feet, as if they were at a children’s service at church. His campaign speech was nearly a sermon, and the children listened wide-eyed when he told them the world is a scary place, and it’s godly men like him who are going to save them from the evils of President Obama, Hillary Clinton and their fellow Democrats."

    Liberals cannot compete with that kind of indoctrination.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    PS -- Here is another quote from Leonard's article with respect to Ted Cruz on the campaign trail in Iowa:

    "When Ted Cruz campaigned in a neighboring town in 2015, I watched as a couple of dozen grade-school pupils sat at his feet, as if they were at a children’s service at church. His campaign speech was nearly a sermon, and the children listened wide-eyed when he told them the world is a scary place, and it’s godly men like him who are going to save them from the evils of President Obama, Hillary Clinton and their fellow Democrats."

    Liberals cannot compete with that kind of indoctrination.

    And still people here think this is not an "sick" country? How could such an large percentage of the population adore these "clowns" I guess the "tax free" churches helped Trump win as well, don't forget that. At least 80% of the evangelicals voted for Trump, that says enough. Thus his choice of Pence helped because the "evangelicals" got what they wanted. I hope they will get plenty of unwanted kids, which need health insurance or education or jobs, but none will be there (except the army), but they can go to church and hold their hand up and pray forever. However the "walls" of the church have no ears, so not much help will come from outer space.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    PS -- Here is another quote from Leonard's article with respect to Ted Cruz on the campaign trail in Iowa:

    "When Ted Cruz campaigned in a neighboring town in 2015, I watched as a couple of dozen grade-school pupils sat at his feet, as if they were at a children’s service at church. His campaign speech was nearly a sermon, and the children listened wide-eyed when he told them the world is a scary place, and it’s godly men like him who are going to save them from the evils of President Obama, Hillary Clinton and their fellow Democrats."

    Liberals cannot compete with that kind of indoctrination.

    You are precisely correct, Schmidt. As is your previous post re: rural America. What rural America doesn't understand or doesn't want to understand is that capitalism is what has destroyed or is destroying rural America. Creative destruction is above all destruction.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    For those of you so interested, back in May Andrew Sullivan wrote a very long article in the New York Magazine about Trump. I only now just read it because it was referenced in a NYT article.

    Andrew Sullivan, New York Magazine, May 1, 2016: Democracies end when they are too democratic

    It's the kind of article that stimulates deeper introspective thinking. Read it when you have some quiet time. Too bad it didn't get wider coverage back then.

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    I read that piece and thought to myself "How have we failed to teach these people so little about themselves, the world and life in general?"

    This is the reason and the main and real reason American's ARE NOT exceptional and they have no comprehension at all why they/we are not!

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "capitalism is what has destroyed or is destroying rural America"

    lonely bird, I think that is an unfair critique of capaitalism. The problems come not from capitalism but from the d eregulations that allow financiers to take advantage of a good system and mutate capitalism into aristocratic feudalism. An economy thrives under capitalism but free of restraints money and power are hoarded into the hands of fewer. The benefits of a working economy are sacrificed to self interests that thrive on accumulating and narrowing the purpose of money. While democrats were saving everything but the working class republicans concentrated their message that government was bad and selfishness was good.

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    Okay, this article was written in April and published in May long before we ever imagined him to be president. Here is one chilling paragraph from Sullivan's article that we should reflect upon:

    "Trump assiduously cultivated this image and took to reality television as a natural. Each week, for 14 seasons of The Apprentice, he would look someone in the eye and tell them, “You’re fired!” The conversation most humane bosses fear to have with an employee was something Trump clearly relished, and the cruelty became entertainment. In retrospect, it is clear he was training — both himself and his viewers. If you want to understand why a figure so widely disliked nonetheless powers toward the election as if he were approaching a reality-TV-show finale, look no further. His television tactics, as applied to presidential debates, wiped out rivals used to a different game. And all our reality-TV training has conditioned us to hope he’ll win — or at least stay in the game till the final round. In such a shame-free media environment, the assholes often win. In the end, you support them because they’re assholes."

    Yes, I am a first hand witness to that happening in disbelief.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Okay, this article was written in April and published in May long before we ever imagined him to be president. Here is one chilling paragraph from Sullivan's article that we should reflect upon:

    "Trump assiduously cultivated this image and took to reality television as a natural. Each week, for 14 seasons of The Apprentice, he would look someone in the eye and tell them, “You’re fired!” The conversation most humane bosses fear to have with an employee was something Trump clearly relished, and the cruelty became entertainment. In retrospect, it is clear he was training — both himself and his viewers. If you want to understand why a figure so widely disliked nonetheless powers toward the election as if he were approaching a reality-TV-show finale, look no further. His television tactics, as applied to presidential debates, wiped out rivals used to a different game. And all our reality-TV training has conditioned us to hope he’ll win — or at least stay in the game till the final round. In such a shame-free media environment, the assholes often win. In the end, you support them because they’re assholes."

    Yes, I am a first hand witness to that happening in disbelief.

    Let the fun begin!! He's now mad at Swartseneger (the appointed show master); the ratings for the Apprentice were not good; so he scolded the guy of course on an"tweet".