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U.N. Security Council Votes to Condemn Israeli Settlements

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    New York Times, December 23, 2016:

    U.S. Abstains as U.N. Security Council Votes to Condemn Israeli Settlements

    The Obama administration broke with US precedent and abstained in a resolution that condemned Israeli settlement construction. The resolution passed 14-0, with only the US abstaining. Donald Trump had intervened demanding that the US veto the resolution. Obama showed him that he is still president until January 20th and did the right thing.

    All I can say it should have happened much earlier. But better late than never. However, it won't change a thing. Israel will continue to defy the United Nations and the international consensus in continuing their illegal land grab of Palestinian lands. That land grab will even get worse under Trump.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I'm quite happy to see this pass, but it would have been even nicer to see the US actually grow a backbone and vote in the affirmative instead of just abstaining. It's just too bad that this will prove to be largely symbolic.

    Donald has shown no willingness to remotely condemn anything Israel has ever done and if he is able to succeed in his promise to move our embassy to Jerusalem then we can throw any sliver of hope for peace out the window.

    It almost seems like Israel is asking for a third intifada, but I'm not so sure they would come out this one in one piece. That region is a powder keg and the relocation of our embassy may just be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

  • Center Left
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    We should have strongly opposed Israeli actions a very long time ago. I have always hated their bully tactics and their lack of respect for the Palestinians. As I mentioned previously, I used to own an old globe and that area was rightfully called "PALESTINE".

    Wearing a suit and having a spokesperson doesn't make you any less of a thief.

    On his way out the door our president is looking weak and disenfranchised.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The problem is that the Israel Lobby is very powerful in the United States and Europe. For any president to be elected or maintain an ability to function, they cannot go against Israel. President Obama pushed the envelope but was barely able to make inroads. It used to be that the Democratic Party was largely pro-Israel and indeed the vast majority of Jewish Americas do vote for Democrats. But both parties have their "Israel Firsters" and the Republicans and Trump's apparent outright love and support for Israel now is nothing more than an attempt to peel that ethno-religious group away from the Democrats.

    Trump really doesn't appear to give a damn about the Israelis Jewish people or the Palestinians except for the power base of the "rich Jew stereotype". Most ordinary Jewish Americans I know do not support Trump, and in fact they are evenly split on the two state solution.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Peter Baker, NYT via MSN News: For Obama and Netanyahu, a Final Clash After Years of Conflict

    For those interested in a more comprehensive assessment of the reason President Obama chose to abstain, you can read Peter Baker's article at the above link (as well as my link to the Israel Lobby). I have followed events in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict for decades, and am of the view the Israeli leaders will never come to an accommodation with the Palestinians and therefore will never know peace because of it. As long as authoritarian right wing Likudists like Netanyahu are in power, we can only expect more suffering. Now with the forthcoming Trump-Netanyahu chumminess, we can expect the land grab to accelerate including moving our embassy to East Jerusalem. Big mistake.

    Fear trumps critical thinking.

  • Independent
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    Yes, we should all be ashamed, especially by electing Trump. The situation in the Middle East will only get worse especially by appointing an Ambassador who wants to grab all the land from the Palestinians. I guess Trump is forgetting that there are more Muslims on the world than Jews or Christians. But Israel has also "nukes"; so does he wants to expand those as well?? Sorry this Trump guy is an dangerous lunatic and refuses to see "balances" in this world.

    I like to add that our past policies were correct; to abstain from this vote gives the wrong message in the Middle east; we should have voted "for" not "abstain". But Trump wants us to "veto" this warning vote. Unbelievable; thus land grab of the Russians is not OK, but with the Israel it is OK to do that. This guy has no clue whatsoever about the world. Like Schmidt says; "big mistake". The Palestinians are already roaring mad about the bombing of Gaza; so this puts only more oil on the fire. So if we want the total middle east in war, be my guest.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Netanyahu is not taking the vote kindly. He has summoned the US ambassador to Israel to a meeting on Christmas night so he can vent his anger at the US.

    Israel: humbled Netanyahu places hopes in Trump

    In a series of statements, Netanyahu has criticized the Obama Administration for letting Resolution 2334 pass Friday by abstaining, using unprecedented language that has turned a policy disagreement into a personal vendetta.

    "From the information that we have, we have no doubt that the Obama Administration initiated it, stood behind it, coordinated on the wording and demanded that it be passed," Netanyahu told his Cabinet on Sunday.

    In turning his anger toward Israel's closest and most important ally, Netanyahu has underplayed the embarrassment that all 14 other nations on the Security Council voted in favor of the measure. Those votes came from countries that Netanyahu loves to boast of cultivating relations with, including Russia and China and nations across the developing world.

    Netanyahu is nothing more than an authoritarian bully who retains his leadership post by selling fear to his Israeli supporters. In the USA he draws his strength from those Christian fundamentalists who believe that Jews are the "chosen people" and that the Land of Israel must be saved for the Jewish people. But likewise, he seems to believe that Jewish-Americans should answer to him rather than President Obama. The US News and World Report last year published an article, Bibi King of the Jews, that related to Netanyahu's criticism of the Iran nuclear agreement and that American Jews should oppose Obama.

    Since Reince Priebus has now called Trump "the new King" in reference to a savior with the promise of salvation to all mankind, we can expect the two kings to share worldviews on how to manipulate public opinion.

    On Christmas Day, Reince Priebus Crowned Trump The 'New King'

  • Independent
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    Schmidt like I said; the policies related to land "grabbing" should be the same for any country who does so. Favoratism only creates more and more friction. Obama understands so , but Trump is an "bull" in the porcelain shop and indeed follows only fanatics who oppose everything "normal" in any society.

    Here is what I wrote in an other thread:

    How sick can you get! I indeed wished it was an "King". In the Netherlands the "King" has no power at all; he's only used to hand out medals or do ceremonial things. The only big difference over there is that King and Queen mix with the people and have barely any body guards. Thus let Trump become an King, without power.!! Anyway in your last line, I doubt if any "god thing" approves anything of this woman groper. Priebus, please come with proof; sorry he was elected by an antiquated "human" made system as well by dumb uneducated "humans" who never ever saw or met any "god" thing.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: Netanyahu is nothing more than an authoritarian bully who retains his leadership post by selling fear to his Israeli supporters. In the USA he draws his strength from those Christian fundamentalists who believe that Jews are the "chosen people" and that the Land of Israel must be saved for the Jewish people. But likewise, he seems to believe that Jewish-Americans should answer to him rather than President Obama. The US News and World Report last year published an article, Bibi King of the Jews, that related to Netanyahu's criticism of the Iran nuclear agreement and that American Jews should oppose Obama.

    Hear hear. He's not just an authoritarian bully, but he's an authoritarian bully who is dependent on us to survive. I love how he is lashing out at President Obama over this **UNANIMOUS** vote in the Security Council. He's become so accustomed to the United States bending to his will that he honestly doesn't know what to do when we go against his wishes.

    I am so tired of the Republicans (and many Zionist Democrats) putting Israel's interests ahead of our own. Republicans have no problem watching poor people starve on the streets in our country, but heaven forbid if we don't give Israel hundreds of billions of dollars in military aid every year.

    And what do we get in return for that aid? The Prime Minister of Israel accusing our President of aiding their enemies.

    Schmidt Wrote: Since Reince Priebus has now called Trump "the new King" in reference to a savior with the promise of salvation to all mankind, we can expect the two kings to share worldviews on how to manipulate public opinion.

    On Christmas Day, Reince Priebus Crowned Trump The 'New King'

    Two kings who will be ridiculed by the rest of the world. Too bad neither of their supporters really care what the rest of the 7 plus billion inhabitants of this earth think.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    So Reince, how do you really feel about the working poor and the minimum wage?
  • Center Left
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    Our (not my) president elect has had 2 Twitter rants this morning. It hasn't even started yet (presidency) but pressure is pressure.

    Where's the humanities ? After all we are talking about real estate. That and stealing from the under privileged are his forte.

    bipartisanreport.com/2016/12/28/trump-f...

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I am sitting at O'Hare waiting for my flight and just watched Secretary Kerry give a blistering speech that strongly criticized Israel for their unlawful settlement construction. I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime. The Secretary of State publicly called out Netanyahu by name and said that he's allowed himself to fall prey to the "most extreme elements in his own government."

    It was nice to see our government finally stating publicly that Netanyahu and his government are the problem and not the solution in this conflict. You can't continue to steal land without any regard for the Palestinians and expect the rest of the world to go along with it forever.

    The sad thing is that Trump and his administration are going to dig their heads in the sand and let Israel do whatever it wants without thinking about the long term consequences of Israels actions.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Donald Trump in an interview with the Times of London and Bild newspapers gave some candid insight as to how he would solve the Israeli -Palestinian conflict -- put his 36 year old Jewish son-in-law Jared Kushner in charge. From iAfrica.com:

    "The president-elect confirmed that son-in-law Jared Kushner will be tasked with trying to broker a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians, but said Washington's abstention in a UN vote in December demanding an end to Israeli settlements had made the task more difficult.

    "People are giving away (bargaining) chips, they're giving away all these chips."

    "Ya know what, Jared is such a good kid and he’ll make a deal with Israel that no one else can -- ya know he’s a natural," he said."

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    Now doesn't that make everyone feel so much better? John Kerry move over...here comes Jared Kushner to the rescue. He'll make a deal that Kerry and no one else can...but just what will be in the deal?

  • Independent
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    The guy is an absolute nightmare; Israel has had trouble since 1947; thus that kid Kushner will fix that in an day??? I guess just like the ACA I guess. Land grabbing which ever way is not something which is approved worldwide. Thus exceptions should not be allowed. Israels borders were defined by the "winners" of WWII, but the Palestines had no say in it whatsoever. Who's land is that area anyway? I guess it is Palestine land including Israel. So I guess Kushner's solution will likely be: Israel just keep "building" your settlements on Palestine land; just bomb the hell out of them like you did in Gaza if they don't like it. Problem solved.